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I believe that both of those companies have zero-knowledge encryption configured. They will, of course, be able to tell the IP addresses - if they log them - but they don't have your password and thus can not decrypt the contents of your inbox.

If they logged it, they could also do things like see who you sent emails to, 'cause the address kind of has to be in plain text.

I can't speak to what they log.

Proton Email provided police with user's recovery email and in effect police had full access to user's all email.
For totally lazy


User made it possible to decrypt data and this led to the arrest:
"The core of the controversy stems from Proton Mail providing the Spanish police with the recovery email address associated with the Proton Mail account of an individual using the pseudonym ‘Xuxo Rondinaire.’ This individual is suspected of being a member of the Mossos d’Esquadra (Catalonia’s police force) and of using their internal knowledge to assist the Democratic Tsunami movement."

User was at fault not Proton but expectations regarding Swiss law are ridiculous.

The only example I know where owner rather shut down business than provide data is lava mail (this happened in US).
However expecting that business owner will go to the extreme are not reasonable.
 


Recovery email is optional in the settings of Protonmail and guess what... Protonmail must have this info unencrypted and available in order to recover your account if needed. All the info about that guy they gather it from Apple services not from Protonmail. Protonmail once again disclose nothing. But if the court demands it they have to give what they have and that's fine in my use case
 
Protonmail once again disclose nothing. But if the court demands it they have to give what they have and that's fine in my use case

Tuta, once again, discloses nothing. But it the court demands it, they have to give what they have and that's should be fine in your case, so what are you ranting about?
 
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The whole point is that anyone interested for user data they must go through the route of the Swiss court, no illegal data handling is permitted in Switzerland, and Swiss laws protect all people not only Swiss citizens because they apply to the data not to individuals
 
... no illegal data handling is permitted in Switzerland...
Name me one European country where illegal data handling is permitted. And wouldn't permitting something illegal make it... legal?

Where you're in a hole, stop digging. ;)

BTW Swiss constitution (Article 13 in this case) applies to Swiss citizens only.

Back to the topic. Which messangers do you guys use? It's WhatsApp for me. I've failed to convince anyone to move to something else, but, to be honest, I believe that WhatsApp is secure enough.
 
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Name me one European country where illegal data handling is permitted. And wouldn't permitting something illegal make it... legal?

Where you're in a hole, stop digging. ;)

BTW Swiss constitution (Article 13 in this case) applies to Swiss citizens only.

Back to the topic. Which messangers do you guys use? It's WhatsApp for me. I've failed to convince anyone to move to something else, but, to be honest, I believe that WhatsApp is secure enough.
If you think there is no illegal handling of data in the whole world you are probably living in a hole. Anyone interested search about a guy named Snowden. This is the last post that I address to you, do not quote me again
 
Which messangers do you guys use?
I have FB, but do not directly use it. as i only need FB messenger to contact a few people so I access it using Caprine [Linux front end app] and I have a whatsapp account use just to keep in contact with granddaughter this is accessed from my main computer desktop using the Linux whatsapp desktop, I opened an X account just to contact one supplier who do not have any internet contact or e-mail, then closed it after sending 2 messages the second telling them to put my account where the sun doesn't shine
 
@Terminal Velocity

There is no law in the entire universe that can stop illigal activity. Illegal activity by definition takes place outside of the law. Any law. American, European or... Swiss. If there was illegal handling of data in Switzerland, you wouldn't know about it. And if, at the same time, there was no Swiss Snowden, the world would never learn about it. So, can you be 100% sure the illegal handling of data doesn't take place in Switzerland right now? No, you can't. So, stop digging. The next step is a total paranoia.

@Terminal Velocity

Unfortunately, it's not up to you what and who do I quote. Throwing toys out of the pram is not gonna change that.

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Recovery email is optional in the settings of Protonmail
It's not completely optional. Try and sign up for FB or Twitter or whatever with an anon Protonmail account. It'll block the authentication mail an spew a whole load of garbage about wanting to prevent abuse and getting their domain blocked... Basically they don't want you to use Protonmail as a way to circumvent social media verifying you... But they are an enterprise, and they have every right not to wind up in the "we don't accept email verification from <insert provider> bin" on social media. As I said, it's their service, their rules.

I should probably mention that if you want some anonymity, there are tons of domain + email-only packages out there that will cost you between $25 - $45 USD a year. And many don't care who you are. Some may want a phone number but you can buy pre-registered SIMs from the local Nigerian cigarette shop down the road (speaking from experience*) and you can use a prepaid credit card to pay... Ya know, if you're running from Interpol because you assassinated a president or something.
So there's

There's still GMX, which lets you create alias addresses that you can burn. Of course this is mainly for creating burner accounts that don't ask for phone validation.


* Indemnification: I'm not promoting circumventing RICA to any South Africans here (none I know of). My ID and phone were in the same pouch so lost both at once. It takes 6-8 weeks to get a replacement ID here in SA unless you fork out an additional R140 (140 ZAR) for a temp ID (a bold money racket if ever there was), and I needed a phone to use my banking app and receive updates on when to collect my ID (yes, note the chicken-egg: I had to actually provide them a contact number) from DHA. FWIW, I got a new SIM and that was RICA'd simply because I have no idea what the pre-registered one was tied to. Could've been an international assassin, lol.
 
Back to the topic. Which messangers do you guys use? It's WhatsApp for me. I've failed to convince anyone to move to something else, but, to be honest, I believe that WhatsApp is secure enough.
I use WhatsApp. I don’t know anyone who wants to switch to something else either.
 
I use WhatsApp. I don’t know anyone who wants to switch to something else either.
For me it's simplex
Matrix
Tox:

and IRC
 
For Privacy there also Darknets, which are censor resistant and privacy fokused

There are also several Darknets:
TOR (i recommend Whonix):
Zeronet:
Hyphanet:
i2p+:

BE CAREFUL: Those are unmoderated and certainly include some shady / harmful stuff

The best way to use these is in a VM like Whonix or Kicksecure:
 
Proton Email provided police with user's recovery email

Yup. I believe I mentioned that (recovery email) in another comment. You need REALLY good OpSec if you want any chance to avoid prosecution. Not even Tor is absolute, especially if you're using it to access the regular internet.
 
Regarding instant messaging apps, Whatsapp is certainly not among the safest also because it collects log data and other data, even Telegram is not encrypted by default for end to end chats, Signal appears safer than other apps in any case for these apps you have to provide the phone number.
Any suggestions about it?
 
Yup. I believe I mentioned that (recovery email) in another comment. You need REALLY good OpSec if you want any chance to avoid prosecution. Not even Tor is absolute, especially if you're using it to access the regular internet.
Yes, this is exactly my point. Even if we assume that all internet providers are honest this is not enough to be anonymous and/or private. If user does not follow basic rules then no "Swiss" law will help.

Basically user is only responsible party that keeps all information private.
 
If you don't want to provide the phone number or email then Session looks like a good option. I've tried it. It works quite well, but good luck with making your family and friends to use it...
Yes, I use Session and it is very nice but following the spirit of compartmentalization, I use Briar and Cwtch also.
 
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