lekkerlinux
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Does anyone know when my Antergos Budgie will turn into an Arch Cuckatoo or better still, a Galah?
Antergos Metamorphosis
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lekkerlinux
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This is a very difficult question, but which one is more stable Arch or Manjaro?
My Antergos installation is very simple with few programs, while Manjaro has many more programs that may bring it down sometimes.
Aren't you kind of comparing core operating system functionality against ancillary software? If my LibreOffice breaks, that should not crash my computer.
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I thought so too in the past, then earlier this year I had system freeze with Firefox snap package version. That was on Ubuntu 14.04. I just used another version of Firefox and no freezes. After that I used Lubuntu 18.04 and Warzone 2100 from the software center. The system froze again. I switched to the snap package version and it worked normally.
I also used Debian 9 based Q40S and thought all the older versions of programs would be super stable. Not in my experience. The newer programs caused less trouble for me. The most stable Linux distro I have used this year is Antergos, but only for a little over a week. Before this I thought Debian 9 is super stable.
So yes, I found that a program can bring down the whole system in Ubuntu 14/18.
Okay, that's the past and I am using Antergos now, that will later turn into Arch. One school of though would say a simple system would be more reliable compared to a more complicated system with more moving parts or lots of more programs.
Manjaro have lots of more programs preinstalled and I also found in the live session that it has better sound in YouTube than Antergos. Probably some extra codecs or something.
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That's cockatoo, take it from an Aussie
Yes, that's right! I must have had Kookaburra in my subconscious. That's actually my favorite Australian bird. The oversized kingfisher!
First of all, both Manjaro and Antergos are user friendly, customized Arch's distros, that is, they are built on top of Arch's base system. Yes, they do differ in many other aspects since that's the whole point of the customization part. I use Arch as my main system and find it really great. I used Antergos as well as Manjaro in the past and liked Antergos better. I tried many distros and still do it via virtualbox mostly for fun. I suggest you start to familiarize with Arch as much as possible since Antergos project is about to be discontinued. Reading Arch's wiki is mandatory, not that you have to learn by heart every single topic but get able to walk through it. Open an account on Arch forum, read throught some threads, learn the way that particular forum is managed since is not for newbies, they won't take you by the hand while helping you with any issue you might encounter, they demand that you do your homework and be able to manage and solve basic stuff on your own. Don't worry, Arch's very stable and the Arch wiki has lots of information on solving almost any issue you can think of as well as doing any extra customization too.
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lekkerlinux
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Thanks for your great advice Tolkem. I changed to Ubuntu based Zorin in 2014 because my Windows 7 was broken beyond use. Updates downloading but not installing and the internet not working.
Earlier this year Ubuntu started freezing and I tried Debian based distros and it was no better.
That's why I changed to Antergos. Now I don't want to go back.
It is very true that with Linux you have to do your homework. My Neighbors just call in some tech guy when their internet don't work or something else goes wrong with Windows. That's not for me and if I want to run Windows 10, I will probably have to buy a new PC.
I keep using Antergos as long as I can and only use Manjaro if I have too. When I tried Manjaro in live environment it showed 400 hundred or something updates at one Gig. My 3G connection is slow and acts up sometimes, so if I have to run big updates and the internet acts up I will probably break packages in the process.
I gave up on Windows 3 years ago, that being said I really liked Win 7 and think's the best Windows so far, but I also had the internet issue sometimes and I noticed it was a Windows problem cause I saw several other machines at work suffering the same. I don't like Windows 10, not a bit, my wife's laptop came with it preinstalled and at some point it became really slow, unusable, so after many tries at convincing her to switch to Linux she finally came one day and told me: "I'm fed up with Windows so get rid of it and install some Linux" lol I installed MX-Linux on her machine and she's been happy with it ever since, that was almost a year ago. Do remember Arch's a rolling-release distro so try to keep it up to date. Check for updates at least once a week. Last year my wire connection went down like for 7 months and I had to use a 3G instead and it was a pain; really slow. "Great thing about Linux is that you can do whatever you want, worst thing about Linux is you can do whatever you want" lol Don't remember where I read that but I agree, but as long as you do your homework everything will be just fine.
Cheers!
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Not that your wife was upset, but that a good outcome came of it. Nice call with MX-17/18 too, MX is one of my faves
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Not that your wife was upset, but that a good outcome came of it. Nice call with MX-17/18 too, MX is one of my faves
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lekkerlinux
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I see that on distrowatch that MX Linux has risen a lot while Manjaro has declined, any idea why?MX is one of my faves
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Distrowatch shows "page hits" not the popularity of a distro.
If I used, say, Ubuntu and I was perfectly happy with Ubuntu I would have no reason to go creeping around Distrowatch to examine and find an alternative distro. Therefore no page hits from me.
To some extent, Distrowatch shows misleading results. It might be the best we have, but nonetheless, it is misleading...
If I used, say, Ubuntu and I was perfectly happy with Ubuntu I would have no reason to go creeping around Distrowatch to examine and find an alternative distro. Therefore no page hits from me.
To some extent, Distrowatch shows misleading results. It might be the best we have, but nonetheless, it is misleading...
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lekkerlinux
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I suspected that as well. I guess there is really no way to really know how popular a distribution really is. I thought Antergos was popular enough to survive.
I also read a great review about Q40S and tried it myself and it froze a lot. Most of those reviews are just a cursory look and not a long term usage report.
I am using Antergos which will hopefully be updated to Normal Arch Linux and continue to work well. I was just thinking of having a plan b choice if I need it.
FWIW, my wife's had not issues at all with MX all this time, not once, and she's a total newby, I mean, she doesn't know anything about using the terminal and/or how to solve things on her own in Linux, I tried to teach her one or two things though but she keeps saying it's all too complicated. She uses all the GUIs programs. Nor has she any complains about it, she's had adapted very good to it. Her laptop works now like a charm and even I enjoy using it myself. I gotta say, MX is a great distro; really stable and easy to use. Plus the pletora of MX tools do offer a certain edge over other distros if I may say. Still, I wouldn't change Arch for any other. Pacman's great, one of the best package managers out there along with zypper and yum.
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lekkerlinux
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I agree with you, Tolken. I have installed Antergos minimal ISO, because I could choose what to install. I read the reviews about the installer breaking frequently and that Arch can break when the kernel updates.
Thus far I had five or more kernel and other updates without any problems. I know a lot of Debian commands and now just have to sudo pacman -Syu my knowledge of Arch.
