Desktop PC/OS Viability

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I've been concerned recently as to how long the current desktop PC/OS will be around. I've heard that there will be a lot of changes caused by AI. For some people this may be a good thing but I like to keep things simple with my devices and I don't want to completely redo my home network/setup and the way I work with my computers overall. I like Linux the way it is now and the command line (terminal) and I hope it sticks around for a long time to come.
 


PC is surely not going anywhere, whole world runs on PC's.
Where did you hear that? any links?
 
I wouldn't take too much notice of the tech blogs. Some of what they publish is "on-topic", but a lot is speculation, and "blurb" to justify their continued existence & keep folks logging-in.

CaffeineAddict is right. PCs aren't going anywhere any time soon. And I give the "AI craze" 15 years, tops, before it's worn out its welcome and become "old-hat". There's already mutterings about it being too all-pervasive, and sticking its nose in places it has no right to be...

Just my tuppence-worth!


Mike. ;)
 
But there is no mention of PC's going obsolete, AI's run on PC's actually as well.
Yes I did take note of that.

From my understanding AI agent will be the new keyboard and mouse eventually. You tell it what you want to do instead of you giving input/commands via keyboard and mouse to a computer. They will use the programs for you like excel, google maps, etc. and accomplish your tasks. This may or may not affect everything. I hope not as I dislike smartphones and smartphone apps and at the very least this would be a replacement to those.
 
From my understanding AI agent will be the new keyboard and mouse eventually. You tell it what you want to do instead of you giving input/commands via keyboard and mouse to a computer. They will use the programs for you like excel, google maps, etc.
It's very much possible that desktop programs will be made with voice input in addition to keyboard and mouse input.
I can imagine how voice input may be just another method of input.

This may change how we interact with desktop programs and with desktop environments, I see now you were referring to desktop as software not hardware, yes agree with that.

However keyboards and mouse are unlikely to go out of scope just because voice input is easier and faster.
Video games for ex. will still be played with controllers, keyboards and mouse.
 
The keyboard and, to a lesser extent, the mouse have been the default inputs for quite a while. While there are a couple of other methods that have stuck around (like touch and trackball) these have been a staple for decades.

That doesn't mean it can't change. It certainly can and tech has changed a great deal over the years, evolving rapidly in fact.

What it does mean is that for any change to really take over the majority must perform those same tasks better and/or more efficiently. It appears that the two above examples, touch and trackball, are only appreciated by a minority. As I understand it, even those with touch-capable displays are unlikely to use it often.

Will we move to voice prompts? Probably not but that sure could be helpful for some people, especially those who are disabled and those who aren't interested in a traditional desktop advice.

As for "AI", it's being used by a ton of people already. Even I have poked at it and use it sparingly. It's not bad for giving results a regular search query might struggle with. It's not bad for picking things up in context. You do need to sanity check the output but that's also true with traditional search.

Speaking of search, you used to pay a researcher to trawl through what was available 'online' instead of using a search engine. Search is a fairly modern concept, bred from simple indexing and categorization.
 
It appears that the two above examples, touch and trackball, are only appreciated by a minority. As I understand it, even those with touch-capable displays are unlikely to use it often.
I have to admit that, although I don't like it myself, touch/swipe/etc DOES make sense on a smartphone. But on a laptop or desktop screen, it absolutely does NOT.

We've already got tablets to fill that particular use-case; glorified, over-sized smartphones. 'Nuff said.

Not MY cup o' tea. Still, it boils down to what ya get used to, I guess. "Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks", an' all that...

(shrug...)


Mike. o_O
 
Just me two [million] cents worth here...

I feel I must spoiler-tag this, it's too lengthy a discourse and will polute this thread uncollapsed
Will the PC disappear?
Yes. But only in a sense. Towers will be replaced with more mobile devices that dock with your peripherals. I predicted this when the first "feature phones" came out and so far, we have had this functionality a while, so it's more a case of when it's more widespread and we can push out enough mobile horsepower and have good enough internet to stream games (thank you Nvidia -- I mean that with sarcasm). It may not necessarily be smartphones, but something similar in nature.

Mouse/Keyboard replaced by Speech?
Not happening. There's too much that is easier to do with mouse and keyboard compared to speech. Plus, we like the interface. A better question is...

Will the mouse and keyboard be replaced?
Maybe. Currently Machine Learning has enabled a crippled dude to move a mouse cursor with his mind via implants and a wireless transmitter/receiver (it learned to identify specific brain activity each time the guy was told to try and move the mouse by thinking -- may the force be with you). That means, possibly, this could be implemented for the human brain. Possibly we could think words over typing them.
I emphasize possibly because one caveats is that the human brain is easily distracted. While "typing" and "moving the mouse" is achievable via the aforementioned methodology, directly "writing" would be challenging.
While writing a sentence, how many thoughts are you having? How many words do you think while speaking a sentence? Yeah, you'd really need to control your mind.
A last note: Nope, touch screens, no matter how dexterous young'uns are on their phones, will never fully replace keyboards nor mice.

Will the idea of an OS change?
Sadly, yes. It could be 5 years, 10 years, 20 years (doubt that long), but fundamentally we, especially younger gens, are conditioned towards *aaS (I believe it's XaaS: everything as a service). My off-topic question is, "Does Everything as a Service include toilet paper?" I'd like to see how that pans out. Getting back on track: we're moving into the danger zone of traditional PCs being superseded by "cloud". Software as a Service, Desktop as as Service, Gaming as a Service... We're headed towards a world of thin clients connected to our servers of choice (hopefully "choice").

Will AI take over my desktop?
Well, with MS, yes.

What about Linux re the above points?
Well, for all this "cloud" and fancy crap, we still need hardware, albeit in datacenters and not your living room. And what OS costs less, is highly scalable, also largely supported with current hardware, actively developed by big players, and owns ~65% of the global server market? Hint: this forum name minus the tld. So essentially I don't see issues of hardware compatibility with Linux, which does mean some autonomy. The GPL will actually shine here because whatever corpo does on a cloud level can be taken back to the desktop -- or what we can near-as-dammit call one. As for AI, LLMs are coming to Linux Desktop, but unlike Copilot, they will be optional and most of us won't bother with them.

Will AI threaten other things?
Yes. I was once arrogant and adamant that clearly even the greatest minds were overreacting to AI. "An existential threat" you say, pa-lease... I was wrong and will own that. My problem was I was narrowly focusing on the fact that AI does not understand what is input nor what it outputs. At least not as humans do. Think of a super intelligent parrot. So I presumed everyone was thinking about "Super Intelligence" AGI. Well, mostly they were, so I'll take some points back.
However, the real reason it is an existential threat is that it will destroy creativity, help spread disinformation, be utilised in weapons... <insert exhaustive list>... buuuut, the number one reason is it will make humans lazy and stupid(er). We will stop thinking (completely) for ourselves. Why code the game when you can describe it to an LLM and have it generate the code (and assets)? (Okay, as yet that code is trash, but it's getting there) And a picture? And a video? Music? Now AI cannot create, only assimilate and replicate, but just start counting the number of remakes (films, games, TV series) and you'll see human audiences are no longer discerning.

In the end...
The only certainty is uncertainty. Lots of what I have predicted as a teen and young adult came true, from regulating solar power in my country to regulating crypto, and, well I'm treading thin ice so I'll hint at certain political agendas and ask that nobody discuss them, but I was about 50/50 in predicting some of those agendas. However I have been completely wrong, too. The AI example, believing the universe to be toroidal (part of me still does -- sorry), and that we'd see a hoverboard by 2015, and that we'd see a hoverboard by 2025, and likely again now that I am determined we'll see one in 2035 (what can I say).
Fact: Things will change.
Fact: If the human population manages not to destroy itself, then the way we interact with tech in the future will be something we cannot begin to comprehend. Essentailly the only reason we won't see it as witchcraft (that craft) is because we broke away from superstition a couple of centuries back (well, most of us).
Comfort: Unless you're in your 20s, it's unlikely to affect you. Even with TV, radio survived another 6-7 decades. VHS survived a good decade into DVDs. And "retro" games are so timeless we keep doing remakes. So while there's ample demand for something, it takes a lot of effort and marketing (cough social engineering) to push the market forces forward and this is constly in time and financial resources (including cutting losses with R&D spending since you're changing course after investing in two generations ahead).
For those who want the abridged version: It's too soon to be worried... mostly...

Anyway, hope that puts your mind ease, sorry the lengthy post, these questions always do get me pumped and I ectually have a few artical drafts on this sort of subject matter, I just lack the time to do 'em nice and publish 'em.
 
Still, it boils down to what ya get used to, I guess.

I'm willing to learn new things. That doesn't bother me too much. Once upon a time, I had to learn how to use a mouse. It was fairly intuitive but I still had to learn. My computing history predates the commercial mouse. I did use something similar. It was sort of a mouse but used for CAD inputs and it has a transparent section with crosshairs so that you could use it to input drawings. We used it for schematics, among other things.

Later, I'd have to learn how to use the scrolling wheel. I'd also have to learn how to use the scrolling wheel as a button (a separate clipboard cache). I'd learn to use two buttons on the side, one for forward and one for back.

I think you see my point... (No pun intended.)

Touch doesn't make much sense on a personal computer - to me. There are people who swear by it and I'm told Windows 8 tried to help push the technology. I did own a laptop with a touch screen. It even worked in Linux. I've long-since replaced it and I never got into the habit of touching my screen.

But, there's also the physically disabled market. It's a niche market, but making inputs easier for some people is not a bad thing. In fact, it's a great thing. So long as there's a market for the traditional desktop and laptop, we'll continue to see those devices being produced. There may come a time when the keyboard and mouse are niche and archaic. While I don't envision it, there will be alternatives created and sold, just like there have been alternatives this whole time.

Time will tell if they're better but I don't think voice prompts are really the way of the future.

Can you picture an office where everyone was using voice inputs? Can you picture a call center where everything is done as a voice input? They'd have to put the caller on hold every minute to enter the information the client just gave them.

I suppose thumbprints and retina scans, as well as facial recognition, might work - but it'd be pretty silly entering your password by voice if you're out in public somewhere. I guess that'd be a potentially solved problem. My fingerprint readers work really well.

I don't really see voice becoming the default interface, even with mobile devices.
 
The keyboard and, to a lesser extent, the mouse have been the default inputs for quite a while. While there are a couple of other methods that have stuck around (like touch and trackball) these have been a staple for decades.

That doesn't mean it can't change. It certainly can and tech has changed a great deal over the years, evolving rapidly in fact.

What it does mean is that for any change to really take over the majority must perform those same tasks better and/or more efficiently. It appears that the two above examples, touch and trackball, are only appreciated by a minority. As I understand it, even those with touch-capable displays are unlikely to use it often.

Will we move to voice prompts? Probably not but that sure could be helpful for some people, especially those who are disabled and those who aren't interested in a traditional desktop advice.

As for "AI", it's being used by a ton of people already. Even I have poked at it and use it sparingly. It's not bad for giving results a regular search query might struggle with. It's not bad for picking things up in context. You do need to sanity check the output but that's also true with traditional search.

Speaking of search, you used to pay a researcher to trawl through what was available 'online' instead of using a search engine. Search is a fairly modern concept, bred from simple indexing and categorization.
I'm not against AI as it is currently. For example I find the AI included in the duckduckgo seach (both assist and chat options) to be very useful. Its a great tool to figure how I need to do stuff in Linux that is past my knowledge level. Most of the time it gives me a correct answer but if it doesn't it points me in the right direction and I have been able to solve every issue I've had thus far with the exception of one or two.

I mentioned previously that I dislike smartphones and their apps. Other than being a major distraction/time waster I have found apps to be unreliable. I like routine and doing things consistently and the nature of apps is that many of them are poorly made, not customizable, and they go obsolete because they stop being updated. This was my one of my main issues when I first got a smart phone back in 2012. I can do everything I need with Linux and the command line without the use of apps and the best thing is it has stayed stable and the same for a long time. One of the major things I dislike about Windows is they keep changing many things in their OS like in Excel/Word the copy and paste keyboard shortcuts, menu, etc. I feel like these AI agents may be of this nature causing disruption in the sense you have to waste time relearning how to do basic things like you do with Windows updates that changes everything around or when your smartphone app which you relied on so much gets changed or becomes obsolete.
 
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I've been concerned recently as to how long the current desktop PC/OS will be around. I've heard that there will be a lot of changes caused by AI. For some people this may be a good thing but I like to keep things simple with my devices and I don't want to completely redo my home network/setup and the way I work with my computers overall. I like Linux the way it is now and the command line (terminal) and I hope it sticks around for a long time to come.

Think about this: There are many, many folks that feel exactly the same way as you do. I do, and I'd wager that the vast majority of computer users do as well. You don't want AI to mess with your computer. Neither do I and billions of others.

That being the case, do you think AI is going to make our lives miserable? I think the answer is obvious, don't you? :)

Now, I recently started using Perplexity, Gemini, and another AI search engine. I am absolutely thrilled with how it works. I even showed my wife, and she was quite impressed.

But none of that was a miserable experience. Not by a long shot. Without having to do what you fear, it makes our lives easier.

Not to worry, my friend. :)
 
I dislike smartphones and their apps.

I can relate to that. People seem terrified or confused when they learn that I left the house without a cell phone on me.

I was an early adopter for business reasons. So, I carried a phone starting in the early 90s. I don't like being 'a slave to my phone' very much. I often don't have one on me and, when I do, I don't feel a need to give it much attention.

It is useful as a pacifier. I sometimes will be waiting for something and so I'll play pinochle on my phone.

My family know how to get in touch with me. That happens regularly and that's a fine use for the phone.
 
I mentioned previously that I dislike smartphones and their apps.
^ 100% I use my phone as a tablet. The only apps are a browser, Termux, KO Reader, and MPV. I don't know how to play mobile games.

I can relate to that. People seem terrified or confused when they learn that I left the house without a cell phone on me.
I never leave home with my phone except sales meetings because I'm too lazy to write stuff down and it's easier to leave it on the table to record meets.
 
If all this is anything like the annoying AI agent they use at my on-line bank, it's where madness lies. Took 15 minutes of tedious to and fro questioning just to order a chequebook to pay the milkman.
 


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