How can Linux be so buggy?

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I am a Windows user and have been using Fedora for about 2 months.

Why did I choose fedora?

My initial plan was to install Debian because my thought was that if it was the reference for most distros it is because it must be one of the best, however when I went to install it I found it annoying for the simple fact that it was annoying and difficult to install.

As I didn't want to "abandon Windows 10", I installed Ubuntu on an external SSD, but I don't know how Ubuntu can be so buggy, not allowing me to install it on my external SSD... I even tried another version but it gave the same error and I saw similar reports on forums...

I wanted a beautiful and lightweight distro and I got to know Fedora but I was hesitant to install it because I had problems with other distros and besides, Fedora doesn't support APT packages which is supported in most popular distros.

I decided to give it a chance and I loved Fedora, and installing it was so simple and just worked as it should (unlike Ubuntu).And it can be lighter than Ubuntu.

From the moment I managed to configure Fedora the way I wanted with the help of extensions, it became my favorite operating system

Problems I had with Linux (Fedora)?

I've left the screen in sleep mode and when I turned it back on there were a lot of random pixels but the most common thing is the screen stays black and the screen doesn't turn on. (I restarted the computer and it resolved it)

When using virtualbox when clicking on the floating menu, it simply crashed and couldn't exit. (solution: I restarted the computer and disabled the floating menu and started using the AltGR + F shortcut.

I was unable to install Cisco Tracker on Fedora because the Cisco website only supports Windows and Ubuntu.

When I click on forget a bluetooth device it never appears again...To get it working again I have to Reset the Bluetooth Adapter via the terminal

I have been using Fedora for my daily life and Windows only for games and applications that only run on Windows.( I know I can run Windows games on Linux but it's very annoying to have to work around)

Note: I wanted to try some Debian-based distro so I wouldn't have this problem with the packages. But I hate Linux Mint because it's too ugly, Debian has a very outdated kernel and Pop Os I hated the design and Ubuntu i dont need to talk anything...
 


Revalution77 said:
Fedora doesn't support APT packages which is supported in most popular distros
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True, it uses yum/dnf which used by Redhat/EuroLinux/Oracle/Rocky/Alma/Scientific/Nobara/NST and suSE.

Debian/Ubuntu is popular in the hobbyist desktop space. But Redhat and it's clones own the datacenter and cloud far and away
more than all the other distro's put together. - https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-continues-lead-linux-server-market

tcpdump and wireshark do everything the cisco packet tracer does, even some things it doesn't.
 
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Revalution77 said:
Note: I wanted to try some Debian-based distro so I wouldn't have this problem with the packages. But I hate Linux Mint because it's too ugly, Debian has a very outdated kernel and Pop Os I hated the design and Ubuntu i dont need to talk anything...
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if it's just the desktop you do not like then Change it to a different one, this is Linux, this is your choice
If you want to try a Debian distribution but want a newer Kernel, try MX-Linux with AHS, I would also suggest Parrot 6, but it is the latest edition and still a little buggy,
 
For some versions now Debian uses Calamares to install and it is very easy, easier than Windows. I had the same first notion as you about Debian but I never changed my mind because it has not yet failed me
 
You might want to try a more user friendly Distro like Linux Mint Cinnamon.
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Revalution77 said:
I wanted a beautiful and lightweight distro and I got to know Fedora but I was hesitant to install it because I had problems with other distros and besides, Fedora doesn't support APT packages which is supported in most popular distros.
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This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what Linux is and how it works.

Fedora doesn't support APT packages because APT is utilized by Debian based distros. This does NOT mean that Fedora does not have the exact same options available in their repositories.

For example, you can install firefox on Debian based distros like Ubuntu or Linux Mint (which is a derivative of Ubuntu, therefore a derivative.... of a derivative smh) with sudo apt install firefox and you can do the same thing on Fedora with sudo dnf install firefox . This is just a basic example of how the only real difference most users will encounter between distros is the use of different syntax.

Secondly, the "beautiful and lightweight distro" bit, this has aboslutely NOTHING to do with any given distro. A distro is not it's desktop environment and pretty much every single mainstream distro out there offers at the very least GNOME and KDE Plasma, two VASTLY different desktop experiences both functionally and visually.

You're on the right track, but you're clearly struggling with the most common misconceptions and misunderstandings that new users face when coming to Linux.

Put forth as much effort into learning about your chosen distro as you did learning to create a bootable USB and installing the distro and you'll be find by the end of day. Bet.
Revalution77 said:
From the moment I managed to configure Fedora the way I wanted with the help of extensions, it became my favorite operating system
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This suggests you're using GNOME as it's heavily reliant on extensions for it's personalization and choice functionalities. You can install GNOME on any Linux distro of your choosing easily.
Revalution77 said:
I've left the screen in sleep mode and when I turned it back on there were a lot of random pixels but the most common thing is the screen stays black and the screen doesn't turn on. (I restarted the computer and it resolved it)
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Yeah sleep/powersaving has always given me issues. Personally I just disable it (yes, even on my laptop). This is the lazy mans way of resolving the issue, there are plenty of people that get sleep/power saving to work properly, I just don't care too.


Revalution77 said:
When using virtualbox when clicking on the floating menu, it simply crashed and couldn't exit. (solution: I restarted the computer and disabled the floating menu and started using the AltGR + F shortcut.
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Try vmware-workstation, I dumped vbox for vmware-workstation as it just seemed to perform SO much better. This was long before getting into hypervisors for the homelab.
Revalution77 said:
I was unable to install Cisco Tracker on Fedora because the Cisco website only supports Windows and Ubuntu.
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Untrue, it can be installed on Fedrora. Time for homework (not trying to be rude, just running out of time). 9/10 times if you're getting a package from a website, they're only providing you with what they personally maintain, this does NOT indicate that it's "unsupported" on other distros, it merely indicates that they only maintain said distro (ubuntu).


Revalution77 said:
I have been using Fedora for my daily life and Windows only for games and applications that only run on Windows.( I know I can run Windows games on Linux but it's very annoying to have to work around)
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This probably confuses me the most as I game... extensively on Linux, and have done so on every single mainstream distro out there, and all that is (sometimes) required is that you enable compatability mode in the Steam settings, and that's the click of a button.

I know it may appear that I'm being a bit rude here but that is not my intention. This just appears to me to be a case of needing more time in the literature to understand exactly what a Linux distro is, exactly what a "Desktop Environement" is, and understanding the syntax of your distro and how it works. If you look into these basic fundamentals you'll be rollin in no time.

Good luck.
 
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Try to remember that Fedora is the test bed for RHEL.

I ran Fedora for years and loved it. Had a few buggy things that were fixed from reading online.
Sometimes, with sleep or hibernate the kernel may need a parameter. That may help.

MX Linux is based on Debian and is lite and fast. Runs very well on my Sony Viao for a year now. Zero issues and fairly newer kernel like @Brickwizard said.

And like @AlphaObeisance said, I disable sleep, hibernation and all that jazz.
With Devuan, Debian 12 and MX Linux I don't have those issues that you do when attempting to wake the pc from sleep.

MX Linux – Midweight Simple Stable Desktop OS

mxlinux.org mxlinux.org

debian-handbook.info

About this project

Written by two Debian developers — Raphaël Hertzog and Roland Mas — the Debian Administrator's Handbook started as a translation of their French best-seller known as Cahier de l'admin Debian (published by Eyrolles). It's a fantastic resource for all users of a Debian-based distribution...
debian-handbook.info debian-handbook.info
 
TLDR for now.

All operating systems are buggy: i have windows 11, its very buggy, i have ubuntu studio, its very buggy (but has tons of great features for artists and custom computing geeks).

Last i checked, plain ubuntu and debian with xfce are not very buggy. Ive used them both a lot even though xfce is not my favorite DE.

Fedora honestly isn't worth it for beginners.
 
Nah, the OP seems the type who's a perfectionist, with super-high expectations and never truly happy with anything. I've seen hundreds like 'em over the years; nothing's ever right, always finding fault with everything.......cos nothing's EVER how they want it.

And more to the point, they're not prepared to lift a finger or even try to put any effort in to make anything the way they want it to be....that's ALWAYS "somebody else's" job. A typical 'highly-entitled' Millennial if the truth be known.

They'll be better off staying with Windoze. They probably heard about Linux and decided to take a quick "look-see" to find out what all the fuss was about. They didn't like what they saw, and couldn't resist taking a parting-shot at the whole community on their way back to Deadsville.

We had the honour of 'first contact' due to the URL, of course.....they probably thought we were the "official" community forum!

Byeee! Don't let the door smack you in the head on the way-out. No great loss...


Mike.
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How can Linux be so buggy?
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The bug gets fixed then the fix is lost/rejected, whatever:

« Fix once, Break many »

...and Windows is the vice-versa version, euh...

Anyway i adopted YUMi-exFAT with the opinion that any spin surviving a post-install reboot is worth further investigation, if it's an uEFI machine. So i downloaded like mad and found out LMDE and MX are my favourites so far. Tomorrow being another day, but hey: it's all free!

Ah, and just yesterday i think i witnessed MX auto-compiling a fresh new WiFi/BT driver that worked right on reboot. Nothing like i've seen under Win10 and not even the "Pro" version actually. In the Win3.x era we even had to pay for the stack...

N.B.: Fedora once made me curious too but it couldn't stand the comparison under such strict circumstances.

;)
 
Revalution77 said:
I am a Windows user and have been using Fedora for about 2 months.

Why did I choose fedora?

My initial plan was to install Debian because my thought was that if it was the reference for most distros it is because it must be one of the best, however when I went to install it I found it annoying for the simple fact that it was annoying and difficult to install.

As I didn't want to "abandon Windows 10", I installed Ubuntu on an external SSD, but I don't know how Ubuntu can be so buggy, not allowing me to install it on my external SSD... I even tried another version but it gave the same error and I saw similar reports on forums...

I wanted a beautiful and lightweight distro and I got to know Fedora but I was hesitant to install it because I had problems with other distros and besides, Fedora doesn't support APT packages which is supported in most popular distros.

I decided to give it a chance and I loved Fedora, and installing it was so simple and just worked as it should (unlike Ubuntu).And it can be lighter than Ubuntu.

From the moment I managed to configure Fedora the way I wanted with the help of extensions, it became my favorite operating system

Problems I had with Linux (Fedora)?

I've left the screen in sleep mode and when I turned it back on there were a lot of random pixels but the most common thing is the screen stays black and the screen doesn't turn on. (I restarted the computer and it resolved it)

When using virtualbox when clicking on the floating menu, it simply crashed and couldn't exit. (solution: I restarted the computer and disabled the floating menu and started using the AltGR + F shortcut.

I was unable to install Cisco Tracker on Fedora because the Cisco website only supports Windows and Ubuntu.

When I click on forget a bluetooth device it never appears again...To get it working again I have to Reset the Bluetooth Adapter via the terminal

I have been using Fedora for my daily life and Windows only for games and applications that only run on Windows.( I know I can run Windows games on Linux but it's very annoying to have to work around)

Note: I wanted to try some Debian-based distro so I wouldn't have this problem with the packages. But I hate Linux Mint because it's too ugly, Debian has a very outdated kernel and Pop Os I hated the design and Ubuntu i dont need to talk anything...
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My company and I use Fedora. We have no issues although we do not do hibernate really but not had issues with any of it. Although we have scripted installs and it puts in all the extras people like. I will say that you need to have more intelligence than just being able to click a mouse button to use it. But the same is true for windoze. You probably just forget that because you are used to it. As far as cisco goes, you can get the source and compile in fedora and it should work fine. There is more than one way to get software.
I won't repeat what others said about dnf and apt etc. As far as the pixels and all after sleep mode, I bet you have nvidia for graphics and they are a problem across all linux flavors. However they are recently fixing that issue so the problem should vanish soon.
maybe you are not aware but you do not need virtual box in fedora. It comes with Gnome-Boxes which is a front end for QEMU. I have windows 7, 8, 10, 11 all in virtual machines in boxes plus I have ubuntu and debian VMs for testing. The thing with a virtual machine is you do have to physically have enough RAM to give the VM and still have at least 4G to keep the host (Linux) running. If you take too much RAM away from the host you will crash. And you want to have virtualization enabled in the BIOS.
I am happy to help with anything Fedora as it is our distro at my company.
 
What do you get when you look in /dev while your SSD is connected? Try plugging it in after you start your Linux computer and use journalctl -xe to see what it says about it. It should register with your system. An SSD works much the same way as a hard drive, for the user anyway. It should be a matter of setting it up with fdisk and then writing some file systems with mke2fs.

Signed,

Matthew Campbell
 
MikeWalsh said:
Um.....I believe the man said:-


(shrug...)

?????


Mike. :p
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I don't read long rants about what's wrong with Linux from windoze users.
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