Microsoft says Linux is a Cancer... but...
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CaffeineAddict
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It's good to hear that Linux annoys M$, it means their end is near and Linux is doing just fine.
Brickwizard
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Not news.. Microsoft have been using their in house Linux [not windows] for scripting and compiling windows distributions for quite a while, and azure is also Linux based, then a couple of years back came WSL, Hell, Linux .org has been mentioned in Microsoft blogs as the best place for Linux support [including for WSL] and advice.
Brickwizard
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Oh and I forgot to mention, Microsoft are one of the larger supporters of the Linux foundation
Windows Subsystem for Linux was the last straw for me. It made me curious enough to try once, then never again. As far as i'm concerned let it wander like tumbleweed under a harsh desert sun until it's cooked!!
Brickwizard
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this is a previous ramble on the subject
The cancer thing was a long time ago. MSFT has long since changed its views.
Many of you are too young to remember or didn't work in the field, but there was a time when MSFT had its own version of UNIX (Xenix, licensed from AT&T).
Conceptually, this is nothing new to them I suppose...
Many of you are too young to remember or didn't work in the field, but there was a time when MSFT had its own version of UNIX (Xenix, licensed from AT&T).
Conceptually, this is nothing new to them I suppose...
Battledoge21
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Microsoft hates the fact that people use Linux instead of windows but secretly relies on it for 99% of their server infrastructure (among other things). Linux runs the world, and as for windows... well... as a famous person once said "Let it die, let it die, let it shrivel up and die!"
CaffeineAddict
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I've been googling out this cancer thing yesterday and figured out it's 23yrs old thing.
Yes MS changed their views but I think not with intention to promote open source in healthy manner, rather with intention to attract people to Windows because open source has become such a fashion they could no longer be not involved.
Majority of latest MS software is nothing brand new but just a copy\paste from Linux environment as well as other OS's to keep up with competition.
there is a video in off topic I posted about this, surely you have seen it.
Perhaps, but the article is dated Sept 2024. That's this month, and it's on MSN.
MSN - Wikipedia
Here's an interesting read from WIRED, dated May 2002......around the same time-frame as Steve Ballmer's "Linux is a cancer" statement. It's about the way Microsoft staff, across the board, were encouraged to "blackball" Linux (and anyone who supported it) by a senior company executive of the day.......even extending that dislike to the world's biggest CPU giant, Intel.
www.wired.com
So, the State AG's of nine US states banded together & "went after" Microsoft........in court.
Mike.
How Microsoft Went After Linux
Microsoft was urged to figure out ways to undermine competitors who pushed the alternative operating system, according to a memo.
So, the State AG's of nine US states banded together & "went after" Microsoft........in court.
Mike.
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I'm on my phone.Perhaps, but the article is dated Sept 2024. That's this month, and it's on MSN.
MSN - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
It is on MSN but it is from another site.
As for them not mentioning that this was many years ago, I would say it is a bit disingenuous. But, it gets clicks and makes people angry. So, it has that going for it...
Brickwizard
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It is the paragraph that sums it up, as some would say don't spit out your teeth, or they will re-appear and bit you in the bum.
However, for many administrators, an attitude of "Anything but Microsoft" persists, certainly since Steve Ballmer's decades-old bonkers "Linux is a cancer" comment. Persuading these same admins that Microsoft can be a trustworthy Linux partner is a challenge that should not be underestimated.
The worrisome thing for me is that they are winnowing Mono (aka DotNet, aka Bloatware Supreme) even into the Debian mirrors. That is something that I had completely missed in the news (probably because I seldom apt-get anything) but a simple 50k Linux utility turned into a quarter gigabyte download of unwanted libraries complete with a complete rewrite of all root certificates. Fortunately, I had done a clone of the drive before, so I got it dumped easily.
I want no part of Dot.Net. No and no thanks. Had enough of that back in Windows days in code labs that fortunately only had one floor in the building and stymied the sudden impulse to open the physical window and jump.
There is no money in Linux for Microsoft, so they wait a few years until the disros are completely infiltrated, then suddenly announce, "Sorry, we didn't notice at the time that some of those libraries contain patented code. Access this webpage - with your credit card - to fix this problem."
Or something else?
I want no part of Dot.Net. No and no thanks. Had enough of that back in Windows days in code labs that fortunately only had one floor in the building and stymied the sudden impulse to open the physical window and jump.
There is no money in Linux for Microsoft, so they wait a few years until the disros are completely infiltrated, then suddenly announce, "Sorry, we didn't notice at the time that some of those libraries contain patented code. Access this webpage - with your credit card - to fix this problem."
Or something else?
Didn't know that. What's next? OneDrive? CoPilot? Since we all know how secure Redmond code is.
The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores the fact that it was he, by peddling second-rate technology, who led them into it in the first place
Douglas Adams [1995]
That is a good one, Brickwizard.
I also like the one from Neal Stephenson's "In the beginning was the command line."
"Eventually the big dealership came out with a full-fledged car: a colossal
station wagon (Windows 95). It had all the aesthetic appeal of a Soviet
worker housing block, it leaked oil and blew gaskets, and it was an
enormous success."
Douglas Adams [1995]
That is a good one, Brickwizard.
I also like the one from Neal Stephenson's "In the beginning was the command line."
"Eventually the big dealership came out with a full-fledged car: a colossal
station wagon (Windows 95). It had all the aesthetic appeal of a Soviet
worker housing block, it leaked oil and blew gaskets, and it was an
enormous success."
Actually i know an elder who insisted having Edge opened on MicroSoft's starting page, and another who depended on OneDrive for family content... Personalization of their own desktop like to auto-hide the task bar seemed disruptive enough. It wasn't something rational, simply a lack of adaptability in acquiring new skills & habits.
