Midori Browser

I had exactly the same thought yesterday !!!

from a pm yesterday
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I came across Midori thanks to a link posted by @MikeWalsh .....it looked like this:
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It was included in this topic:

I am forever grateful, Mike

I have used Firefox, brave, Chromium, internet explorer, (yes, I am that old), and lots more

The last time I was excited was when the first time I used brave browser.
It was fast (and still is), and just didnt have the bs and crud that firefox had accumulated.
It was like a breath of fresh air at the time
That freshness has faded...brave is not the browser it was 4 years ago (approx)

Midori is an absolute breath of fresh air....and the current browser market desperately needed that.

I have zero to less than zero interest in where Midori came from or was associated with......I could not give a rat's ....

I am interested in the here and now

Midori promises what the browser using public want. If they fail to deliver they will sink.

Members and guests who read all this need to keep in mind...Midori is still being developed....and therefore the little holes in it will be apparent.

Move on from the little stuff. They will fix it. Make the comment, but do not condemn it just because you can. Make a note of the place to file a bug etc... @ponchale ...input re a link to support would be good.
 
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I came across Midori thanks to a link posted by @MikeWalsh .....it looked like this:
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It was included in this topic:

I am forever grateful, Mike

I have used Firefox, brave, Chromium, internet explorer, (yes, I am that old), and lots more

The last time I was excited was when the first time I used brave browser.
It was fast (and still is), and just didnt have the bs and crud that firefox had accumulated.
It was like a breath of fresh air at the time
That freshness has faded...brave is not the browser it was 4 years ago (approx)

Midori is an absolute breath of fresh air....and the current browser market desperately needed that.

I have zero to less than zero interest in where Midori came from or was associated with......I could not give a rat's ....

I am interested in the here and now

Midori promises what the browser using public want. If they fail to deliver they will sink.

Members and guests who read all this need to keep in mind...Midori is still being developed....and therefore the little holes in it will be apparent.

Move on from the little stuff. They will fix it. Make the comment, but do not condemn it just because you can. Make a note of the place to file a bug etc... @ponchale ...input re a link to support would be good.

Thank you for your words for us are very important and we will continue to work and improve Midori in all aspects and we hope that with the help of the community become independent of Gecko and we have more R & D to see Servo and innovate with Servo as a new engine.

On the other hand our help link there are multiple help.astian.org which is used for tutorials and help users and also Telegram group in Spanish https://t.me/midoriwebes group in English.

In the Spanish group you can find Puppy Linux master users like nilsonmorales and josejp2424.

Sincerely thank you very much.
 
Help is available at the below page


Help in the application menu goes to Firefox Support...can still be helpful

There is a "share idea and feedback' there....which is 'live'...goes direct to astian.
That will get some use.
 
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@ponchale
Thanks for the explaintion of why an account is nesacarry.
Just wanted to know why as I'm not much for creating accounts.

I'll have to check the Easy OS repos and see what version of Midori is offered and give it a try.

Easy OS is a Barry K creation so kinda like Puppy Linux.
Maybe an SFS or PET package is available.
Maybe even an AppImage.

Sounds worthy of a test drive.
 
We are aware of our origin, but my dear friend Ubuntu was born from Debian, Nextcloud was born from OwnCloud, Bliss was born from AOSP, and as many examples, the Floorp license supports us as well as the Mozilla license and any open source license, are seeing the difference I will tell you the differences.

  1. We developed our own search engine so as not to expose users' privacy.
  2. We have removed the Google API from Midori, we no longer send data to Google through their Browser Safe API.
  3. For more than a year we have been working on our own synchronization service removing Mozilla's by default.
  4. We are developing our own VPN service See our repository.
  5. We are developing productivity tools that revolve around Midori, Notes, Contacts, Cloud, Calendar, all open source, no sale of information no tracking completely free and we do not plan to close the code of any of our services.
  6. We don't fight with other browsers regardless of their origin or their base, on the contrary we are fighting with the big techs so that the small ones have a chance, we recently joined the Browser Choice Alliance.
  7. The market is a vast blue ocean, meaning there is opportunity for everyone.
Thank you.

Problem no.1 if Midori is Floorp derivative, where's the info

Example: https://librewolf.net/
Librewolf is Firefox based

Problem no. 2 if Midori is Floorp derivative then security issues as mentioned in one of the links I provided stand

Notes:
  • search engine? why?
  • VPN? This is the idea as broken as in the case of Firefox VPN: no sane person will use it (one reason being compartmentalization)

seems like https://astian.org/midori-dns/ is broken by the way.
 

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I'll have to check the Easy OS repos
most likely not there.....there is no link in Linux Mint's Software Manager

I got my download from this page...


Clcik on Select distro.....then on Debian de 64 bits

That gives you a .deb file .....installs easily with Gdebi package installer.
 
Problem no.1 if Midori is Floorp derivative, where's the info
Example: https://librewolf.net/
Librewolf is Firefox based

Problem no. 2 if Midori is Floorp derivative then security issues as mentioned in one of the links I provided stand

Notes: search engine? why?
VPN? This is the idea as broken as in the case of Firefox VPN: no sane person will use it (one reason being compartmentalization)
seems like https://astian.org/midori-dns/ is broken

Problem no.1 if Midori is Floorp derivative, where's the info

Example: https://librewolf.net/
Librewolf is Firefox based

Problem no. 2 if Midori is Floorp derivative then security issues as mentioned in one of the links I provided stand

Notes:
  • search engine? why?
  • VPN? This is the idea as broken as in the case of Firefox VPN: no sane person will use it (one reason being compartmentalization)

seems like https://astian.org/midori-dns/ is broken by the way.

Midori-DNS is updating this information as we migrate,

2 information on Floorp is in our repository, I invite you to visit it because we fully comply with the legislation that indicates the license.

3) VPN for you obsolota excellent, it is your opinion and point of view is completely respectable, we will continue working by the users and for the users.

4) Yes, of course, search engines as well as web browsers need web search engines that respect the users, where the product is not the users, https://astiango.co.

The great thing about this context (technology) is that it is constantly evolving and updating, so we will continue to improve with every comment and criticism, I love the criticism has allowed us to improve and continue to improve and I appreciate your point of view is respectable, we will continue working to be an independent browser in every sense of the word.
 
so we will continue to improve with every comment and criticism

How do you expect to fund the project?

Any large project is going to require outside funding or a benefactor, given enough time and popularity.
 
How do you expect to fund the project?

Any large project is going to require outside funding or a benefactor, given enough time and popularity.

Although it has been a complete challenge we have found a way to finance the project.

1) Donations: https://astian.org/midori-browser/donate-to-midori/

2) Affiliate links that are removable.

3) Alliances with other projects: https://blog.blissroms.org/blog/2021/2021-03-05-bliss-astian/

4) Development of applications and services to companies (We are in talks with some companies to show them the benefits of open source and change their licensing).

5) Subscriptions, one of our services that will soon expand its features to include VPN and LibreOffice Online and more: https://cloud.astian.org/pricing
 
In Astian and Midori we also contribute with the support of projects in the Linux ecosystem as PuppyLinux one of the distro that opened the doors in this new version and was the first to include the new version of Midori is SparkyLinux.


We support them and other projects we contribute and repay the trust they have placed in us.
 
Midori-DNS is updating this information as we migrate,

2 information on Floorp is in our repository, I invite you to visit it because we fully comply with the legislation that indicates the license.

3) VPN for you obsolota excellent, it is your opinion and point of view is completely respectable, we will continue working by the users and for the users.

4) Yes, of course, search engines as well as web browsers need web search engines that respect the users, where the product is not the users, https://astiango.co.

The great thing about this context (technology) is that it is constantly evolving and updating, so we will continue to improve with every comment and criticism, I love the criticism has allowed us to improve and continue to improve and I appreciate your point of view is respectable, we will continue working to be an independent browser in every sense of the word.
I think that mentioning Floorp on your main page would be honest.
No, I never said that VPN is obsolete. What I said is that VPN requires separate setup from anything else so it should not be identified with browser. It should be separated from email, browsing and any networking service.
Also, if I need an account/registration then this defies reasoning for privacy.
Your project - as mentioned by @KGIII - is spanning over a lot of topics. So, I will be glad to hear about the financial resources.

I understand that Midori is a work in progress of course.
 
I think that mentioning Floorp on your main page would be honest.
No, I never said that VPN is obsolete. What I said is that VPN requires separate setup from anything else so it should not be identified with browser. It should be separated from email, browsing and any networking service.
Also, if I need an account/registration then this defies reasoning for privacy.
Your project - as mentioned by @KGIII - is spanning over a lot of topics. So, I will be glad to hear about the financial resources.

I understand that Midori is a work in progress of course.

Well the VPN work we are doing so that no external configuration is needed, it is a technical challenge but we are taking it one step at a time, and yes the financial issue I have stated in an answer (above).

Otherwise well we are honest in respecting the license and attribute the main rights in the repository. Ubuntu does not say we are Debian based, Nextcloud does not say we are Owncloud based, or some of the many examples, however in the code repository we give the respective credits.

The issue of reliability has always been and will be at stake for any new player, that's why we have released all the code, all the services code, everything is there, except for AstianGO that we will not release it yet because we do not consider it mature, but we will release it too, in fact we plan to release it as Mastodon being federated revolutionizing a little the theme of search engines, and yes we know that we are addressing many issues, but it is in order to innovate, we do things maybe different but we have always been transparent about everything.

And it will continue to be so, following our principles and changing the paradigm of things a little, it is a challenge yes, but we can.

We look forward to your support, feedback, criticism and comments.
 
Interesting read

 
I'm testing in now...using the AppImage...very similar to Firefox.
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Well, after quite the lengthy Q&A, I will leave it down to this, and far be it for me to get too software-political, I think there are some valid points in what @Aristarchus has said and how @ponchale replied because I think a lot of us are thinking, maybe too much, about this...

Yes it's true there's no mention on the front page or anywhere on the site about Floorp. The rationale of Ubuntu and Debian is a very, valid argument and Midori is staying within the attribution guidelines. So y'all at Astian are in the right, technically. And I agree, technically. However -- big however -- there's pragmatics to consider.
If I were to ask, "How many legs does a human have?" the answer would be, "Two," not, "Well, it depends on injuries or congenital defects that may or may not also be hereditary, and finally the number of legs that person identifies as having in their individual reality."
So whereas @ponchale, your logic is infallible re disclosure, it's a question of pragmatism that goes in the grey area: the "common knowledge" argument. I know, it is potentially fallacious, purely based on context, but nonetheless, just about everyone does know where Ubtuntu came from and what makes Ubuntu distinct from Debian (in a bad way, lol -- sorry Ubuntu fans).

So I think a good compromise would be to state clearly on an "About" page -- an about page clearly visible -- something to the effect of: From Firefox came Floorp, and from Floorp, a brand new Midori! We're still focussed on the same goals we always have been, so we've taken everything one step further <list of what you posted earlier as distinctions>... Or an easy-to-find link to contributors, projects you'd like to thank, whatever. It'll helps your reputation/credibility, so keep it in mind.
And, yes, nobody credits Chromium very visibly, and almost every browser and their cousin is Chromium-based, but, just because other orgs aren't being visible, doesn't mean you guys should conform. If anything, breaking the mold would help instill user confidence. Public image is your most important asset unless you're Microsoft, Apple, or Disney, then you can stick it to your fan/user base and they'll still come back for more, lol.

PS: On the subject of credibility, IDGAF what Redditors say about you guys because Reddit is just one giant cesspool with a few one-square-meter-island subs that may boast the odd palm tree, but are invariable still overgrown with weeds, so I would not take anything on a Reddit sub too seriously.

Okay, there's my rambling on that topic...
 
@Condobloke

I have been using brave... It has been consistently plagued with the 'the keyring was not unlocked...
Have you tried running it with --password-strore=basic as an arg? Works for me and should do in all Chromium browsers. It won't affect the keyring outside that session of that browser AFAIK -- I always browse private and have my own password manager, so I have no need of keyring at all, which forced me to do some searching (this was before I could ask an AI, lol).
 
I found an AppImage and I'm posting this from it now.

It's a lot like Firefox when you are in the settings mode.

I also was able to use the settings without creating an account.

I also do not have a Firefox account and never have had a Firefox account.

I guess you don't need to create an account which is a plus imo.


I guess the real difference I see at this time is the default search engine AstianGO.

Alright a searching we will go and see how it works.

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Have you tried running it with --password-strore=basic as an arg
Yes...been there .....worn the Tshirt out.
I am fairly certain it bypasses Linux's inbuilt keyring security aspect...I am by no means certain of that fact....not certain at all.....but I take umbrage with brave for not fixing the bloody thing Permanently.
They can apparently cater to the 'sniff ' brigade who want pretty colours on every damn thing but cannot fix a basic requirement in their browser. They can only spread that sort of bs with me for so long....and then I get the tom tits (wasn't that poetic !?)
It won't affect the keyring outside that session of that browser AFAIK

I do hope that Midori stay sane enough, long enough, to achieve what they are obviously capable of achieving.

I had a weird instance yesterday.... @ponchale ...please read

I opened my home pages...as I do a million times a day.

I clicked on the first one (there are 4)....and i was reading the news....abc,net.au.....But....I wiped that page and three others from my 'home page' list a month ago!!!!....(simply because I am fed up with reading about 'bad' news, incessantly)
I digress....what the hell !
In a nutshell, Midori had somehow 'found' those url's and inserted them into Midori's 'Home and New Windows' setting

I am not content with a "oh that's strange....no idea how that happened"
 

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