Problems with installing Mint 19 Tara

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There are a lot of people reporting problems with installing Tara, the new Mint 19. There is also a lot of miss-information about workarounds on it as well and many are so complicated that you need to be an Einstein to understand them. Sadly some are using these problems to "knock" Mint, forgetting the simple fact that every Operating System has teething problems and that Mint is FREE along with many other Distros and we only get them because of the work that others put into them and are able to do so by those who make donations.

Okay so these are my thoughts:
1) Do you really need to upgrade yet? Older versions are still supported, particularly in the 18 versions.
2) Before you do anything back up onto another external hard drive
3) Get the ISO from the world wide not other places
4) check the ISO before doing anything
5)Check the medium before you doing anything
6)If you already have Sylvia or any of the others why not install along side
7) DON'T TRY THE UPGRADE THERE ARE TOO MANY PROBLEMS WITH IT AT THE MOMENT
8)IF YOU ARE GOING TO INSTALL, DO NOT CONNECT TO THE INTERNET DURING THE INSTALL AS THIS IS WHERE THE PROBLEMS SEEM TO BE HAPPENING (Yes this does work I have done it successfully on 3 laptops without failure of any sort)
9) If you live somewhere that needs a connection before the install DON'T DO IT AT THE MOMENT

I have Tara now and I love it, by using K.I.S.S KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID I have not had any problems with it all everything works fine including the updates after the install .

It is our human nature to want the latest, but really if you run into problems with Mint 19 and aren't able to do the above - then wait for a few weeks and the problems could be solved
 


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I love it :D Big Like :p

I'll reserve further comments until after some others have had their say. People hear enough from me, just look at the stats.

But I commend you on your good spirit.

Keep on paying it forward :)

Wiz
 
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I love it :D Big Like :p

I'll reserve further comments until after some others have had their say. People hear enough from me, just look at the stats.

But I commend you on your good spirit.

Keep on paying it forward :)

Wiz
Thank you, at least I have one positive comment.:) I hate it when people are so negative and just throw their toys out of the pram.:mad: I await the toy throwers with, well with nothing really :rolleyes:
Have a nice day Wiz
 

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Known issues
EFI installation - failure to install Grub
An issue in the package ubuntu-system-adjustments prevents EFI installations from completing successfully when the computer is connected to the Internet. This issue was fixed in the repositories but it still affects the ISO installation images.

Until new ISO installation images are made, please perform the installation offline (i.e. do not connect to the Internet from the live session or from the installer).

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https://linuxmint.com/rel_tara_cinnamon.php
 
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Known issues
EFI installation - failure to install Grub
An issue in the package ubuntu-system-adjustments prevents EFI installations from completing successfully when the computer is connected to the Internet. This issue was fixed in the repositories but it still affects the ISO installation images.

Until new ISO installation images are made, please perform the installation offline (i.e. do not connect to the Internet from the live session or from the installer).

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https://linuxmint.com/rel_tara_cinnamon.php
Yep that is the way to do and the way I did - but some still don't read things :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

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Regarding #4, and for the benefit of The Viewers, the same applies not just to the Cinnamon DE, but also to MATE and Xfce versions as well.

Thanks for sharing, Brian :D

I wonder if there is a benefit to us to make a small announcement? Stan might have an opinion.

Cheers all

Wizard
A buggy Mint is better than a working Windozer. :rolleyes:
 

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Stan might have an opinion.
What, just one? My head is exploding with them! :eek::eek::D:D

But about this... well, not really. :D I suppose we should always direct new users to check the Release Notes on any distro before they download and begin... might save a lot of headaches. But they probably wouldn't check anyway. It actually might be better if we were the ones to check Release Notes each time we start troubleshooting a new problem. This offline install issue just bit us in the behind recently, but I didn't get the info from the Release Notes anyway... it was a Google find, like so many other solutions.

Cheers
 
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This is from the release notes :
EFI installation - failure to install Grub
An issue in the package ubuntu-system-adjustments prevents EFI installations from completing successfully when the computer is connected to the Internet. This issue was fixed in the repositories but it still affects the ISO installation images.

Until new ISO installation images are made, please perform the installation offline (i.e. do not connect to the Internet from the live session or from the installer).

IT APPLIES TO ALL EDITIONS - PLEASE NOTE THIS

Personally I think the Mint team were quite poor on this issue as it was only after it had been highlighted that they changed the release notes to reflect this. Okay perhaps they didn't know, of it, but when it became clear they could have done better with getting the information out, say via twitter or facebook . Those who are new to Linux will not realise that AFTER the install you have to install multimedia codecs as these aren't installed off line this is not stated in the release notes.
I am fortunate in the fact that I have the experience to know how to work around things, but many won't and as a result might give up on things or attempt things that lead no-where. This is why I put this out here - perhaps I should have mentioned Post Installation as well, but there are other guides on that
 

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Personally I think the Mint team were quite poor on this issue as it was only after it had been highlighted that they changed the release notes to reflect this. Okay perhaps they didn't know, of it, but when it became clear they could have done better with getting the information out, say via twitter or facebook . Those who are new to Linux will not realise that AFTER the install you have to install multimedia codecs as these aren't installed off line this is not stated in the release notes.
Well said, sir :)

I suppose we should always direct new users to check the Release Notes on any distro before they download and begin... might save a lot of headaches. But they probably wouldn't check anyway. It actually might be better if we were the ones to check Release Notes each time we start troubleshooting a new problem.
Likewise Stan's above.

Cheers

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Thanks for sharing, Ptah

Avagudweegend :p

Wizard

BTW - interesting too about probs with the 4.15 series Kernel, handy for troubleshooting

Edited added BTW
 
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I downloaded and installed Linux Mint 19 Cinnamon on the first day of the final release and everything worked OOTB on my 10 year old junk desktop.

The one thing I dislike is how the update menu seems to overfill the screen (vertically) and I'm unable to resize it to fit. This may be due to my 1280x720 resolution setting because any higher resolution and it's to damn hard to read. (old age)

Linux Mint 19 Cinnamon works well for my minor computer needs and all in all is a really good Linux Distro. It has worked OOTB on every desktop I've installed it on.

Really nothing to complain about except what I already have and I can live with that as it ain't causing me any problems.

I'm happy with it. ;)
 
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Hi @poorguy, and welcome! You're not alone here... we have a pretty big group of 60+ folks (including me), so you are among friends. Friends with poor eyesight, as well as a long list of other things! :eek::D:D

Cheers
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Hey Stan,

Thanks for the welcome.

It's good to know I'm not the only old guy here as in middle sixties.
Will be getting over to the intro section and introduce myself in a little bit.

Thanks again.

poorguy ;)
 

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Hi @poorguy (again) - that's because the problem was UEFI-related, and has been remedied since.

I really enjoy ""the Minties" - 3rd Distro I ever put on, haven't been without a Cinnamon and a Mate since.

Enjoy

Wizard

Edited added BTW

BTW I REALLY associate with that Mark Twain quote :D, loved his work!
 
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Hi @poorguy :) Love the tag line that you are grumpy because you can be - we oldies can be. The problem was after Ubuntu updated then that fiked everything up down the line - it worked at first then stopped now it works again. But you know what these younguns are like want everything new right away, hell apple fool them each year with a new mobile phone which is exactly like the other one but it's new - I've still got me phone from 10 years ago.

Glad you like Tara as much as I do - Mint works it is that simple and now this has been fixed we don't have to worry until 2023 although we'll get the usual minor updates in between as we did with the releases -

Enjoy Mint and your stay here and look forward to your contributions :)
 
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Hello Ptahhotep,

Thanks for the welcome.

Your post is right on as I never had any problems installing or using Linux Mint 19 and even before I new of the v2 iso I was getting 100% installs with the v1 iso.

Yes we old guys can be grumpy as we have earned the right to be.
I use a tracfone because it works when I need it to and it's cheap like me.

Yep today's generation is always in a hurry and don't understand the wisdom of being seasoned as we do.


Thanks again for the welcome.


poorguy :)
 
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Hey wizardfromoz,

Thanks for the welcome.

Yeah I like Linux Mint 19 and the developers have done an excellent job creating it.
I don't have to worry with the UEFI boot stuff since most of my computers are 8 year old and 10 year old desktops.

I haven't bought anything new in years and probably won't as long as others keep giving me what they consider to be outdated and incapable desktops.

I like old computers and old computer hardware plenty capable and plenty of cool old hardware around for pennies.

Thanks for the welcome.

poorguy :)
 

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MODERATOR'S NOTE:

The following content is by @poorguy - moved from elsewhere, to here, where it is in context.


https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/upgrademint


From 18.x to 19: a clean upgrade is best, so avoid the upgrade option
4. The best way to go from the older Mint 18 series to the newer Mint 19 series, is to apply a clean upgrade. Which means: format the hard disk partition on which the older version resides, and install the later version cleanly on that empty partition.

This reduces pollution, diminishes the risk of complications and is undoubtedly the fastest way to do it.

Only upgrading within a particular Mint series is safe and easy. Within a series, you can simply upgrade the older version to the later one by selecting the upgrade option in Update Manager...

The reason for this distinction is, that Linux Mint uses only LTS versions of Ubuntu as codebase. Within a Mint series that's always the same Ubuntu version, so the upgrade to a later Mint within the same series is technically no big deal. Most of the codebase remains the same then.

The Linux Mint 18 series contains 18, 18.1, 18.2 and 18.3. They all have the same base, namely Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. Which makes upgrading within that series swift and safe.

But the Mint 19 series (which starts with Mint 19 Tara) is based on an entirely new Ubuntu, namely Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. This is a major leap, which increases the upgrade risks considerably.

On the basis of my own rather negative experiences with Ubuntu release upgrades, I consider it too big a step for too many systems. Because system tweaks and/or (manually installed?) drivers which were right for 18.x, may be wrong or even disastrous for 19.

The only way to make sure that no such deleterious leftovers are inherited in 19, is a clean installation. So a clean installation of Mint 19 is definitely better than upgrading Mint 18.x to 19.

With a clean installation, with previous formatting of the target partition, you have the least chance of troubles afterwards. This old wisdom is valid for every operating system under the sun.....

Furthermore, a clean installation of Mint 19 will probably be a lot quicker than an upgrade, because it doesn't require the complicated replacement of a tweaked and running system. It can't be compared in any way to an upgrade within the 18 series, which leaves most of the codebase intact.

So I advise to avoid the upgrade option that's offered for the upgrade from 18.x to 19. The best way to do a clean upgrade instead, is as follows:
 


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