Very New, But So Obsessed!!!!

Robert Howard

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Hi everybody,
My name is Robert, and I'm very excited to be apart of this awesome community, I started getting interest in the Linux world when i found out about kali linux, since that day i really haven't slept that much. I realized i need basic skills in linux before i could even understand any about Ethical Hacking, which is what i am choosing as a career path maybe lol, so I've been learning about file systems and trouble shooting problems,grepping, globing, etc... etc.. The hardest thing so far is the redirection concept which is really hard for me to wrap my head around not really the concept but putting in usage with commands. Although i was fighting sleep really hard when i was reading that so I'm going go back to packt and do it again. Well now that I'm done with my info i want to ask if anyone can be so kind to help me with 2 things. Sources of information like in the context of educational info. and most import i just bought an Apple computer 2010 √-
Model Name: MacBook
Model Identifier: MacBook7,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.4 GHz
Number of Processors: 1
Total Number of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 3 MB
Memory: 2 GB
Bus Speed: 1.07 GHz
Boot ROM Version: MB71.003F.B00
SMC Version (system): 1.60f5
Serial Number (system): W8028CGJF5W
Hardware UUID:

This computer apparently has a security feature that was released with the 10.11.6 os well here maybe i should copy and paste a little more.

System Version: OS X 10.11.6 (15G22010)
Kernel Version: Darwin 15.6.0
Boot Volume: Macintosh HD
Boot Mode: Normal
Computer Name: USER’s MacBook
User Name: USER (user)
Secure Virtual Memory: Enabled
System Integrity Protection: Enabled
Time since boot: 1:22
also 64 bit
so i found you i need a some special software called rEFt to install this directly on my hard drive i dont want apple i want linux and because i the last update there is system security the guys from the rEFt project wrote about i read everything like 3 times but I'm still not feeling confident or comfortable to do it yet so i am reaching out the to linux community Please Help! i don't really like to ask but in the course of 2 weeks i can get enough of learning about linux, so this is really important, if anyone could be so kind as to show me how to do it or point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated.
 


atanere

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Hi Robert, and welcome! I know nothing about Mac, so I can't help much. My only suggestion might be to install VirtualBox on your Mac first, and then you can try out different Linux distros as "virtual machines" inside of VirtualBox. That would give you a bit of time for testing before committing to getting rid of the native system. I would also be sure you have a way to return to the Mac OS later if, for example, you want to sell or give away the computer.

Enjoy the new adventure!

Cheers
 

Robert Howard

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Well thank you for the reply Atanere, its my to my understanding that linux and mac are closely related and apparently you can use all the utilities or most that are on mac with linux. thats why i chose this kind of computer to buy. I am going to take your advice cause i havent been around it for long and even tho I'm really careful not to take a lot of thing to heart unless i hear it from multiple sources it would be much better to test it out and make sure. I just worried about the ram. i have a couple visual machine on my asus but it has 16gb ram this only has 1 is it safe to run a virtual machine if i only have 2gb of ram allotted to me?
 

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its my to my understanding that linux and mac are closely related
Well, I might not put it quite like that. It's my understanding that the Mac command line is based on BSD, another Unix-like OS similar to Linux. The Mac GUI seems to me to be in a world of it's own (not meaning in a bad way, just different).

But the issue is not about software similarities or differences... it's more about Linux recognizing and using the Mac hardware. Again, my knowledge is very weak in this area, but I think this is where the struggle is. You are already aware that you need a special boot manager... and I think this is because Mac uses a non-standard implementation of EFI or UEFI (aka BIOS). You may have issues with sound, video, networking... or maybe Linux will work out of the box. But people do use Linux on Mac, so you just have to jump in and see what works, what doesn't, and can you troubleshoot and fix possible issues.

This is one reason to test with VirtualBox or to just test by booting on a Linux "live USB"... to get a feel for Linux and discover potential problems. RAM may be an issue, but I would give VirtualBox a try anyway. It may be a bit slow or sluggish. If the Mac host can run okay, I would probably split the RAM with 1 GB for each, and of course you couldn't run multiple guests at the same time. If it works okay though, you can install multiple guests to test some different distros before committing to a full install... as long as you have enough hard drive space, about 20 GB for each guest. If it doesn't work, just uninstall everything and recover your drive space.

Linux is somewhat more designed to run on typical PC hardware. If finances allow, you might look around for a cheap laptop or desktop, even used yard sale deals, to be your Linux testbed. But you know best which is the best way for you to proceed.

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Robert Howard

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Well, I might not put it quite like that. It's my understanding that the Mac command line is based on BSD, another Unix-like OS similar to Linux. The Mac GUI seems to me to be in a world of it's own (not meaning in a bad way, just different).

But the issue is not about software similarities or differences... it's more about Linux recognizing and using the Mac hardware. Again, my knowledge is very weak in this area, but I think this is where the struggle is. You are already aware that you need a special boot manager... and I think this is because Mac uses a non-standard implementation of EFI or UEFI (aka BIOS). You may have issues with sound, video, networking... or maybe Linux will work out of the box. But people do use Linux on Mac, so you just have to jump in and see what works, what doesn't, and can you troubleshoot and fix possible issues.

This is one reason to test with VirtualBox or to just test by booting on a Linux "live USB"... to get a feel for Linux and discover potential problems. RAM may be an issue, but I would give VirtualBox a try anyway. It may be a bit slow or sluggish. If the Mac host can run okay, I would probably split the RAM with 1 GB for each, and of course you couldn't run multiple guests at the same time. If it works okay though, you can install multiple guests to test some different distros before committing to a full install... as long as you have enough hard drive space, about 20 GB for each guest. If it doesn't work, just uninstall everything and recover your drive space.

Linux is somewhat more designed to run on typical PC hardware. If finances allow, you might look around for a cheap laptop or desktop, even used yard sale deals, to be your Linux testbed. But you know best which is the best way for you to proceed.

Cheers
 

Robert Howard

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wow you know a lot more then me. im loll its good to get word from the wise. that project was a no go for me i decided to dual boot my windows compter. I love it; but i ran into an issue i red to install cuda support for my gpu but i messed up some where. i winded up reinstalling kali but didnt erase everything so i reinstalled again. This last time i lold myself im goin be very careful and read a book on security, but now it wont boot .im guess that from having but not erasing the grub bootlader can you help my out with some timps on hwo to fix that?
 

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Hi Robert,

Okay, changing gears from Mac to PC/Windows computer. Let us know any details about the Windows computer that you want to use now for dual-booting with Linux... brand name and model number, and how much RAM are the most important things, but we might ask more as we go along. Desktop or laptop? What version of Windows?

its good to get word from the wise
Well, that's not me... so I hope that he or she shows up soon! :eek::D

Even though you have expressed an interest in a career in computer security, I will tell you this (and many others would agree).... Kali Linux is about the worst possible choice you could make to be your first distro to learn Linux. Kali is a specialty tool that is made for those who already know how to use Linux... unless perhaps you are already enrolled in serious computer security classes and need it for course work. Please consider using something else to get started with Linux.... Linux Mint, Linux Lite, and Ubuntu are a few excellent distros for beginners, but we might suggest something else as well when we learn more about your hardware. To learn and experiment with Kali, I think it is better to just run it in "live mode" from a DVD or USB flash drive.... you can install it later, if needed, as your knowledge grows.

Currently, you're in a disaster, right? Your computer won't boot after attempting to install Kali alongside Windows. You should ALWAYS BACKUP your important Windows files before attempting to install Linux... did you? And if not, does it matter to you, or is it okay to lose any data that is on the Windows partition? The answers to these questions determine what to do next. If you desperately need to go back into Windows and save stuff first, then the priority is to restore Windows and ignore Linux for the moment.

A clean install of Linux should also make Windows work again too, but I'd rather not take the chance with your data, unless you don't care if you lose it or not. We really don't know what you did at this point to cause the computer to fail to boot.... there is a chance that you've already overwritten Windows and lost your data.

Cheers
 

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ya i hear you there, well i did get it to work i install linux on my ssd and my computer like automatically fixed window, your so right i should be trying other distro kali is hard to use and very hard to figure out it on my ssd now so i dont think i wantto erase anything but i am going to take your advice and install ubuntu to my other labtop i have kali running on my gl703vm and learn unbuntu fist. im developing a new interest at a late point in my life but ya i will be sure to learn from a different distro first any pointer on what i need to learn and how so i can eventually make my way to the kali distro? and i have kali on my ssd and windows on my hard drive so i hope that gives me some sort of protection
 

Robert Howard

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Hi Robert,

Okay, changing gears from Mac to PC/Windows computer. Let us know any details about the Windows computer that you want to use now for dual-booting with Linux... brand name and model number, and how much RAM are the most important things, but we might ask more as we go along. Desktop or laptop? What version of Windows?


Well, that's not me... so I hope that he or she shows up soon! :eek::D

Even though you have expressed an interest in a career in computer security, I will tell you this (and many others would agree).... Kali Linux is about the worst possible choice you could make to be your first distro to learn Linux. Kali is a specialty tool that is made for those who already know how to use Linux... unless perhaps you are already enrolled in serious computer security classes and need it for course work. Please consider using something else to get started with Linux.... Linux Mint, Linux Lite, and Ubuntu are a few excellent distros for beginners, but we might suggest something else as well when we learn more about your hardware. To learn and experiment with Kali, I think it is better to just run it in "live mode" from a DVD or USB flash drive.... you can install it later, if needed, as your knowledge grows.

Currently, you're in a disaster, right? Your computer won't boot after attempting to install Kali alongside Windows. You should ALWAYS BACKUP your important Windows files before attempting to install Linux... did you? And if not, does it matter to you, or is it okay to lose any data that is on the Windows partition? The answers to these questions determine what to do next. If you desperately need to go back into Windows and save stuff first, then the priority is to restore Windows and ignore Linux for the moment.

A clean install of Linux should also make Windows work again too, but I'd rather not take the chance with your data, unless you don't care if you lose it or not. We really don't know what you did at this point to cause the computer to fail to boot.... there is a chance that you've already overwritten Windows and lost your data.

Cheers
I have been backing up everything and using a different disto thank you for your advice it is greatly appreciated that you took the time to help me out.
 

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well i did get it to work i install linux on my ssd and my computer like automatically fixed window
That's good news! Take your time as you move forward and hopefully you won't have any disasters. But good backups are the only way to protect yourself for sure when experimenting with adding or changing operating systems.

i have kali on my ssd and windows on my hard drive so i hope that gives me some sort of protection
Well, Kali or any Linux is not a protection by itself. It's not like an anti-virus program or anti-malware. If you continue to use Windows, you'll need to continue using Windows tools to protect yourself.

But using Linux is generally safer than using Windows for many reasons that I won't list right now. But even with Linux you should always be careful of where you surf and what you do online. If Ubuntu is going to be your starter distro, remember to enable the firewall to help protect you. An easy way to enable the firewall is to open a terminal (CTRL-ALT-T is a good shortcut) and give this command:
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sudo ufw enable
It will prompt you for your password but you won't see any characters as you type it, not even *****, so hit Enter when finished and it should tell you that it is now enabled.

Cheers
 


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