Was unable to complete Linux installation

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hi everyone,

so basically was installing Linux on a new computer with a 1650 OC addition. i was unable to change the resolution and this made it impossible to find anything as everything was so big that near 100% of the functions was inaccessible.

Simply put if Linux does not allow the user to access the functions needed to download drivers then it is completely useless.

This was with the latest Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS.

Problem is this was the first exposure to Linux to about 40 people. Many of us had "some" Linux experience but we where unable to fix this simple yet crippling situation so literally in a single morning 40 would be users now will never look at Linux for the second time.

How could this be fixed ?

Simple upon install we clicked that Linux must find and install drivers. Obviously NVIDIA driver was not installed and factually made the computer useless.

So IF the function worked properly and the GPU driver was installed 40 students, and normal users would have had a better first time experience with Linux. Now we are gathering money to buy Windows licenses.

This is on You Linux developers. Not the users. Not "stupidity" all that had to happen a function that you allow the user to click should have work but didn't. Nor where we even able to find a driver because we could not see what we where doing.
 


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Hope you enjoyed your rant !
we are not linux developers we are a site dedicated to assisting those that need help [where we can]
now if you require help please ask a question, and include the make and full model number of your machine
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Sorry for the problems and hope the 40 will give linux a second chance. You blame linux but in many cases it's the Hardware company that won't play with linux. That is they will not release there code so linux dev's can make it work properly. And they are encumbered with Licensing problems.

So blaming Linux for Nvidia's reluctance is not helpful.
What you needed to do is place a "nomodeset" in the grub boot line so it will boot with the open source nouveau driver can work with the card. Sorry for the mixup there. But a little research ahead of time would have made it a better experience. Linux is developed under the GNU licensing which means all code included with linux must be free and open source. Which some hardware companies refuse to do so they keep their drivers proprietary and refuse to allow them to be shipped with Linux. They can be installed in many cases after the fact. And depending on where the Distro in question is headquatered there are laws that vary on liability if one ships those drivers with the system. Some Distros ignore these laws and place the onus on the user that installs them. Manjaro is pretty good at hardware detection.
and there are others that ship with Nvidia drivers by default. But on the very newest chipsets it may be hard to find the linux drivers for them.

Do your home work and try again.
 

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The Nvidia drivers aren't installed by default because they are proprietary, the default drivers are the opensource nouveau drivers. If you want to use the Nvidia drivers you can install them through the driver manager, just open the search menu and enter "driver" as search word. Then select "Additional drivers", there you will have the option the select the Nvidia driver and then you can apply the changes. After that it will download and install the drivers for you, after that is done you will need to reboot.

It's not useless, some people only want to use opensource drivers. With Linux you get get the choice of what you want to use, opensource or proprietary drivers. Giving a rant of how something is useless without stating what you tried shows that you didn't try anything and therefore you are calling something useless because of having a lack of knowledge of where to find what you were looking for. There are plenty of people here willing to help you out, even though no kernel developers or GNU/Linux distribution developers are on this forum.
 
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Hope you enjoyed your rant !
we are not linux developers we are a site dedicated to assisting those that need help [where we can]
now if you require help please ask a question, and include the make and full model number of your machine
Bwiz

No rant, i was pointing out a serious problem to the community may not had experience with and i hoped that a developer might see it as well. But in the end it doesn't really matter.

It took us 4 months to gather enough old computers to actually get this PC lab going. It took another month to fix all those computers with parts that are far from new. To had this happen was actually devastating because we now instead of having 40 computers and people learning basic skills we have 3 working windows computers and a failed project.

That sucks... because all the hard work now means nothing. and yes i am bitter about that i really am. Every Linux i used before the above always got the resolution right to the point that it was so easy to fix the little problems.

Why did this happen? i don't know but it did and now the whole project is just a massive failure. That really actually hurts.
 
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Sorry for the problems and hope the 40 will give linux a second chance. You blame linux but in many cases it's the Hardware company that won't play with linux. That is they will not release there code so linux dev's can make it work properly. And they are encumbered with Licensing problems.

So blaming Linux for Nvidia's reluctance is not helpful.
What you needed to do is place a "nomodeset" in the grub boot line so it will boot with the open source nouveau driver can work with the card. Sorry for the mixup there. But a little research ahead of time would have made it a better experience. Linux is developed under the GNU licensing which means all code included with linux must be free and open source. Which some hardware companies refuse to do so they keep their drivers proprietary and refuse to allow them to be shipped with Linux. They can be installed in many cases after the fact. And depending on where the Distro in question is headquatered there are laws that vary on liability if one ships those drivers with the system. Some Distros ignore these laws and place the onus on the user that installs them. Manjaro is pretty good at hardware detection.
and there are others that ship with Nvidia drivers by default. But on the very newest chipsets it may be hard to find the linux drivers for them.

Do your home work and try again.

We actually did a few test runs the PCs with onboard GPU "AMD" didn't give these problems so we didn't picked up on it until the PC with the 1650 failed to do a proper install. Why have this GPU? it was suppose to be connected to two projectors. See thanks to the Covid 19 people have to sit far apart so we split the groups up by separating them and still use one system to display the needed info.

The classes was well planned with 18. something but we moved to the newer install to keep it up to date. this was a BIG mistake.

See the idea was to display the install for the first group then the second group because as you know you can't mirror a display in the install or we couldn't maybe there is a way.

Again we did all the recommendations in the install and of what we can tell we did it correctly but yea... i guess it is us that made the mistake.
 
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Nvidia drivers you can install them through the driver manager

Exactly right, but due to the bad resolution we simply couldn't navigate, everything was massive we couldn't get to the functions we needed hence my frustration because it should have been a simple fix. But yea... again failure... so yea we will be saving up putting money together and see if we can find a place to sponsor the Win licenses. To be fair i think the Word, and Excel will be a lot easier on windows anyway so maybe this was a blessing in the end we will see. But the project is pushed back till middle next year.

In the end it was the community that truly lost... anyhow enjoy see you maybe in 2022 when we give this a go again "maybe"
 

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Ok slow down..
If its the very latest equipment the MX AHS 64 bit would probably be the best option, if it is moderately old 32 bit then MX -i386 may be your best bet.
if its old [and I mean as far back as the 486] with limited resources then[ although personally I don't like it] there is Emmabuntis [developed to supply cheap [old] kit to third world schools for education purposes.
As my friends have already said, it's no fault of of the Linux kernel developers but one of a "closed court" where proprietary drivers are concerned, some manufacturers supply free of license drivers a few don't,
if you want help then we will do our best to point you in the right direction, but in return we ask for your patients and time to help solve any problems
 

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We actually did a few test runs the PCs with onboard GPU "AMD" didn't give these problems so we didn't picked up on it until the PC with the 1650 failed to do a proper install. Why have this GPU? it was suppose to be connected to two projectors. See thanks to the Covid 19 people have to sit far apart so we split the groups up by separating them and still use one system to display the needed info.

The classes was well planned with 18. something but we moved to the newer install to keep it up to date. this was a BIG mistake.

See the idea was to display the install for the first group then the second group because as you know you can't mirror a display in the install or we couldn't maybe there is a way.

Again we did all the recommendations in the install and of what we can tell we did it correctly but yea... i guess it is us that made the mistake.
Hind sight is always 20/20 :) Next time make sure you do trail run on the equipment you intend to use.
Linux has come a long way but hardware is not always cooperative. Good luck going forward.
 

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No rant, i was pointing out a serious problem to the community may not had experience with and i hoped that a developer might see it as well. But in the end it doesn't really matter.
The best way to get the information to a developer is to use the Ubuntu bug reporting system on Launchpad info on the Ubuntu wiki found here:
Most developers do not have the time to spend on forums like this one. But you never know when one may show up. Most distros have a bug reporting system of some sort. Some use their forums such as PCLinuxOS other use launchpad. You have to seek the correct way for each distro.
 

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The best way to get the information to a developer is to use the Ubuntu bug reporting system on Launchpad info on the Ubuntu wiki found here:

Most developers do not have the time to spend on forums like this one. But you never know when one may show up. Most distros have a bug reporting system of some sort. Some use their forums such as PCLinuxOS other use launchpad. You have to seek the correct way for each distro.

Linux.org forums are what I would call a general purpose forum and do not directly come under anyone particular Distros domain. But it's a great group of knowledgeable ops willing to be of help if they can.
 
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