Why Is The Arch Linux Community So toxic?

I was an early Linux adopter - but not as my main OS. Well, it was fairly rapidly the main OS at work, at least on the server end of things. However, at home, it was just a hobby OS. I didn't use it as my desktop OS exclusively until like 15 years ago. I tinkered with it and we used it at work, largely replacing UNIX (such as SunOS).

I type this to share that it wasn't always like that and there have always been people willing to share what they know - assuming you approach them well. It wasn't so much that you had to pass some great test, so much as it was you had to ask good questions. You were expected to know the basics but you needn't be an expert.

The first time I installed Linux (I'm pretty sure it was Red Hat) I did so with help. I was using IRC on one computer while installing Linux on another computer. I used chat to ensure I got Linux properly installed.

I guess my point is that not every Linux user was an elitist at the time.

Always love seeing your input on things KGIII, motivating! And you're 100% right. The bit about "you had to ask good questions". This stands true for most any field really.

It's pretty apparent when interacting with someone to tell whether or not they watched 1 youtube video that turned them onto linux and then another youtube video that taught them how to install it; but after that they failed to do any futher study of the sytem. I've never used an apple computer, so if I bought one, I would have to read a manual to understand how to manage it's functionalities.

Unfortunately, so many either refuse to do this, or just don't realize the gravity of what they're actually doing when they're switching OS.

I'm always glad to help. Literally just responded to a topic and was chuckling the entire time because I knew the odds of it going in one ear and out the other were likely 10-1 lol. Here's to hoping.

I try to really only respond in depth to folks that give me even the slightest sign of legitimate dedication and interest.
 


Heh. It's like remnants of the "early days", in a way. In the beginning, installing/using Linux was hard; there were no step-by-step guides, no pre-built binaries, no ready-to-use scripts, no friendly internet blog sites happy to explain everything to you, etc. From what I've always understood, many of these early Linux 'geeks' displayed this kind of attitude, too; "I had to do all this by myself. Why SHOULD I help you? More to the point, I'm not going to take you seriously - or even respond to you - unless and until you can PROVE to me that you're serious about this...";)

On that note I do have to say; I've been enjoying learning the process. Having abandoned windows cold turkey to having to learn Linux (thankfully with readily available documentation ;) ty!), to having a brother man of mine get me into home labbing. Now i'm building up my first rack and getting into server hosting and what not.

For whatever reason the Systems Administration seemingly intrigued me enough to keep me learning.

Brother man thought he was funny when he sent me my first enterprise class 3 vlan switch, I'm not sure if my eyes will ever properly adjust from this permanently fixed cross-eyed stare I've recently acquired o_O. Networking has become my arch nemesis lol
 
On Reddit I Was asking How Do I install Arch Linux They All Became Like Insane in the first few minutes of that post and j can say NONE OF THEM WHERE GOOD PEOPLE
Hateful Gatekeeping from Dunning-Kruger effect candidates is very real. ;)
 
I've tried 'em all. I've even followed the directions from LFS.

I just use Lubuntu and Mint. I find those more than adequate for my needs. I can easily ignore the OS and concentrate on the work that I do.

Speaking of Lubuntu...Haven't tried it for years. I downloaded it from here...https://lubuntu.me/downloads/

Copied the ISO in to Ventoy...tried to boot from Ventoy and got...no bootable file for UEFI.
Then tried Etcher with same ISO...got missing partition table. Check sum is correct...Lubuntu 24.0.4 supported till 2027
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On Reddit I Was asking How Do I install Arch Linux They All Became Like Insane in the first few minutes of that post and j can say NONE OF THEM WHERE GOOD PEOPLE
But if you want to install Arch and want a graphical installer better to use EndeavourOS or Arco. Their communities are quite beginner friendly when you compare that to that to the Arch community, but I say both have their place because without Arch there wouldn't be Arch-based distributions.
 
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I used this to install Arch Linux it worked without a flaw OOTB.

I don't know if a current version is available.


As for forums being toxic check out the forum before creating an account.

I've been on some of the Debian forums and some of the members act as though they are constipated and in need of a laxative.

It's not just Arch and Debian forums there are other forums where members act as though they are better than others.

Bottom line the words FO are in my vocabulary and will be used.
 
Sorry to say but i've just downloaded Endeavour OS a few minutes ago then copied it to my external YUMi-exFAT USB drive and the thing simply won't boot while displaying an error message (-22) about its ahci driver, followed by some complain over being unable to access its "init" (not found). This Arch spin was supposed to be uEFI friendly...
 
Sorry to say but i've just downloaded Endeavour OS a few minutes ago then copied it to my external YUMi-exFAT USB drive and the thing simply won't boot while displaying an error message (-22) about its ahci driver, followed by some complain over being unable to access its "init" (not found). This Arch spin was supposed to be uEFI friendly...
From my experience Arch and Arch base (Endeavour) can sometimes be problematic as they are a rolling release distro.

I finally gave up on Arch anything just to much headache and head scratching for an OOTB user type as myself.

That just me though.

Arch Linux will sure test your Linux skills of what you know and don't know or that was my experience.

Arch Linux made for some and not for others. ;)

I was in the not for others crowd. :rolleyes:
 
Too bad, i make it a preliminary selection criteria to pick what's most likely reproducible by others, even elders!
 
Speaking of Lubuntu...Haven't tried it for years. I downloaded it from here...https://lubuntu.me/downloads/

Copied the ISO in to Ventoy...tried to boot from Ventoy and got...no bootable file for UEFI.
Then tried Etcher with same ISO...got missing partition table. Check sum is correct...Lubuntu 24.0.4 supported till 2027
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To check whether the download has included the efi boot files one could mount the iso, as root, and navigate to the EFI directory and inspect the contents thus:
Code:
root@min:# mount /home/tom/Downloads/lubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso /mnt
mount: /mnt: WARNING: source write-protected, mounted read-only.
Then as user:
Code:
[tom@min ~]$ cd /mnt

[tom@min /mnt]$ ls
boot          casper  EFI      md5sum.txt  preseed
boot.catalog  dists   install  pool        ubuntu

[tom@min /mnt]$ cd EFI

[tom@min /mnt/EFI]$ ls
boot

[tom@min /mnt/EFI]$ cd boot/

[tom@min /mnt/EFI/boot]$ ls
bootx64.efi  grubx64.efi  mmx64.efi

To unmount, leave the /mnt directory and run:
Code:
umount /mnt

The three files in the EFI/boot directory are fine and this iso can boot from a usb after being written to the usb.

If the downloaded iso looks to have the booting files, but Balena Etcher says it's not bootable, then a straight forward way of checking is to the write the iso file to a usb with another program like dd or cp using root, e.g.
Code:
# cp lubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso /dev/sdX
# sync

# dd if=lubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdX
# sync
where /dev/sdX is the usb device. The command: lsblk will usually show it.

These commands do a bit by bit copy which doesn't add padding such as zeros which sometimes gets added by some other programs. The bit by bit command maintains the physical integrity of the original iso.

When using programs like ventoy and balena etcher, one is using extra layers of software over the fundamental processes involved, so when a problem like the one described occurs, it can be difficult to know which software to look at, or which is responsible, if any. Shearing things back to more basic programs will eliminate the overlaying software and can help with resolving the issues.

In this case of lubuntu, the download was made with the robust and reliable program wget, thus:
Code:
[tom@min ~/Downloads/work]$ wget https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/24.04/release/lubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso
--2024-07-22 11:40:17--  https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/24.04/release/lubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso
Resolving cdimage.ubuntu.com (cdimage.ubuntu.com)... 2001:67c:1562::28, 2001:67c:1562::25, 2620:2d:4000:1::17, ...
Connecting to cdimage.ubuntu.com (cdimage.ubuntu.com)|2001:67c:1562::28|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 3296555008 (3.1G) [application/x-iso9660-image]
Saving to: ‘lubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso’

lubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso                 100%[====================================================================================================>]   3.07G  9.62MB/s    in 5m 17s

2024-07-22 11:45:35 (9.91 MB/s) - ‘lubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso’ saved [3296555008/3296555008]

It's worth mentioning that there are options to the programs that have been used above which the user can use to refine their operations, but the basics described here all have worked reliably here for decades.
 
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To check whether the download has included the efi boot files one could mount the iso, as root, and navigate to the EFI directory and inspect the contents thus:
Code:
root@min:# mount /home/tom/Downloads/lubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso /mnt
mount: /mnt: WARNING: source write-protected, mounted read-only.
Then as user:
Code:
[tom@min ~]$ cd /mnt

[tom@min /mnt]$ ls
boot          casper  EFI      md5sum.txt  preseed
boot.catalog  dists   install  pool        ubuntu

[tom@min /mnt]$ cd EFI

[tom@min /mnt/EFI]$ ls
boot

[tom@min /mnt/EFI]$ cd boot/

[tom@min /mnt/EFI/boot]$ ls
bootx64.efi  grubx64.efi  mmx64.efi

To unmount, leave the /mnt directory and run:
Code:
umount /mnt

The three files in the EFI/boot directory are fine and this iso can boot from a usb after being written to the usb.

If the downloaded iso looks to have the booting files, but Balena Etcher says it's not bootable, then a straight forward way of checking is to the write the iso file to a usb with another program like dd or cp using root, e.g.
Code:
# cp lubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso /dev/sdX
# sync

# dd if=lubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdX
where /dev/sdX is the usb device. The command: lsblk will usually show it.

These commands do a bit by bit copy which doesn't add padding such as zeros which sometimes gets added by some other programs. The bit by bit command maintains the physical integrity of the original iso.

When using programs like ventoy and balena etcher, one is using extra layers of software over the fundamental processes involved, so when a problem like the one described occurs, it can be difficult to know which software to look at, or which is responsible, if any. Shearing things back to more basic programs will eliminate the overlaying software and can help with resolving the issues.

In this case of lubuntu, the download was made with the robust and reliable program wget, thus:
Code:
[tom@min ~/Downloads/work]$ wget https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/24.04/release/lubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso
--2024-07-22 11:40:17--  https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/24.04/release/lubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso
Resolving cdimage.ubuntu.com (cdimage.ubuntu.com)... 2001:67c:1562::28, 2001:67c:1562::25, 2620:2d:4000:1::17, ...
Connecting to cdimage.ubuntu.com (cdimage.ubuntu.com)|2001:67c:1562::28|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 3296555008 (3.1G) [application/x-iso9660-image]
Saving to: ‘lubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso’

lubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso                 100%[====================================================================================================>]   3.07G  9.62MB/s    in 5m 17s

2024-07-22 11:45:35 (9.91 MB/s) - ‘lubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso’ saved [3296555008/3296555008]

It's worth mentioning that there are options to the programs that have been used above which the user can use to refine their operations, but the basics described here all have worked reliably here for decades.

Then why do many other Distro's ISOs can be burnt with Etcher and booted from Ventoy without any problems in both Legacy and UEFI. I've started another Thread on this...don't want to hijack this thread.
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Then why do many other Distro's ISOs can be burnt with Etcher and booted from Ventoy without any problems in both Legacy and UEFI. I've started another Thread on this...don't want to hijack this thread. View attachment 21254
The post #53 wasn't looking so much at why things don't work, rather, looking at ways of resolving things when they fail, in this case the bootable usb.

To the question of why things didn't work, I guess things work until they don't :) Then one can decide to go either way, look at what failed, or look to alternatives to achieve one's initial aims.

No wish to hijack the thread here also.
 
Sorry to say but i've just downloaded Endeavour OS a few minutes ago then copied it to my external YUMi-exFAT USB drive and the thing simply won't boot while displaying an error message (-22) about its ahci driver, followed by some complain over being unable to access its "init" (not found). This Arch spin was supposed to be uEFI friendly...
I had something similar once turned out it was a bad copy because I had pulled out my usb drive before it finished copying. The second time I made sure it finished copying and it was fine, the only difference is that I used Ventoy.
 
YUMi-exFAT happens to be Ventoy-based and yes i did verify the .ISO image-file - double-checked actually...
 
This Arch spin was supposed to be uEFI friendly...
User friendly install meaning you get a GUI to go through the installation process, you can still run into problems like with any other distribution.

YUMi-exFAT happens to be Ventoy-based and yes i did verify the .ISO image-file - double-checked actually...
I didn't mean that, when you copy the iso file to your flash drive, did you check if it successfully completed before unplugging it. I've had times where I was impatient and pulled it before checking if it actually finished copying resulting in the error you described when booting.
followed by some complain over being unable to access its "init" (not found).
After copying it a second time and actually checking if it was complete before clicking on eject flash drive, then I was able to boot without getting that error.
 
On Reddit I Was asking How Do I install Arch Linux They All Became Like Insane in the first few minutes of that post and j can say NONE OF THEM WHERE GOOD PEOPLE
They think their distro makes them superior to everyone else when, in reality, they're virgin neckbeards sitting in their mother's basement. Just ignore em and use actually helpful forums like the one you're on.
 

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