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Mitt Green
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Hi,
I decided to create this post because there are too many things to talk about, related to Linux and FOSS movement.
Culture
Being a Debian user, the worst thing I don't like and sometimes even hate is its community. I met too many rude and impolite people and many of them hide their ignorance with it. When someone describes his problem too short, they are like ''okay, great''. They write answers like ''I don't know, is that problem because of you?'' Yes, there are some users, often new to Linux, they like to learn their system and Unix apps (Debian is an easy tool to do it). I found the difference between Debian and Ubuntu communities just by opening two IRC channels or two forums and comparing. Of course, not everyone in Deb is rude and ignorant, but the percentage of such mates is much higher than in, let's say, Arch forums which I read often.
Debian community with such guys is a very small detail. You probably watched DebConf Q&A with 2014. If not, I recommend you to, it's interesting, here's it:
In this session among with technical questions, there was one
Linus said that he doesn't care, he cares about the technology and "there are projects that are no more about the technology and about political correctness". For me, it's a bit sad because if one started a discussion, he should use actual arguments instead of curse language and insults. Here's the link from kernel mailing list:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/7/6/495
So, systemd and Lennart Poettering are about both culture and technology.
Linux was created as a clone of Unix and it succeeded. Then appeared a bunch of people who started changing native Unix components, but if Wayland and Mir don't have such ambitions then Lennart and The Team have. They included it in GNOME (but since GNOME 3 is more about visual appealing, this doesn't bother technical people beacuse, how it was said, "[they] switched to Cinnamon, Xfce, Mate...") and now almost each distribution adopted it except for Slackware, Gentoo, Funtoo and BSD and other Unix (Solaris, OpenIndiana). Under the pressure of systemd criticism, Lennart said that
Thus it ruins some of Unix philosophy. Some will say "GNU is Not Unix!", yes, it its clone.
Kernel
"Linux for losers?"
http://www.forbes.com/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616theo.html
Theo De Raadt thoughts on Linux and I agree with him and also his personality is more appealing for me.
Linux kernel is heavier and bulkier unlike BSD and OpenBSD in particular, and GNU sometimes don't cover your needs in one utility. For example, if you need to connect to a network there is the only command in BSD while in GNU there are many for different kinds of connection.
Actually, I respect everyone contributed, contribute and is thinking to contribute to the Community. If you are such person, you probably make a difference. And of course I respect the work that GNU/Linux project did.
Now I want to know your opinions on this. Don't hesitate and write what you think.
Cheers, mates
I decided to create this post because there are too many things to talk about, related to Linux and FOSS movement.
Culture
Being a Debian user, the worst thing I don't like and sometimes even hate is its community. I met too many rude and impolite people and many of them hide their ignorance with it. When someone describes his problem too short, they are like ''okay, great''. They write answers like ''I don't know, is that problem because of you?'' Yes, there are some users, often new to Linux, they like to learn their system and Unix apps (Debian is an easy tool to do it). I found the difference between Debian and Ubuntu communities just by opening two IRC channels or two forums and comparing. Of course, not everyone in Deb is rude and ignorant, but the percentage of such mates is much higher than in, let's say, Arch forums which I read often.
Debian community with such guys is a very small detail. You probably watched DebConf Q&A with 2014. If not, I recommend you to, it's interesting, here's it:
How do you think it affects the culture of the community when the leader of the project in a public mailing list states that
"I'd also suggest that whoever was the genius who thought it was a good idea to read things ONE F*CKING BYTE AT A TIME with system calls for each byte should be retroactively aborted. Who the f*ck does idiotic things like that? How did they noty die as babies, considering that they were likely too stupid to find a tit to suck on?"
Linus said that he doesn't care, he cares about the technology and "there are projects that are no more about the technology and about political correctness". For me, it's a bit sad because if one started a discussion, he should use actual arguments instead of curse language and insults. Here's the link from kernel mailing list:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/7/6/495
So, systemd and Lennart Poettering are about both culture and technology.
Linux was created as a clone of Unix and it succeeded. Then appeared a bunch of people who started changing native Unix components, but if Wayland and Mir don't have such ambitions then Lennart and The Team have. They included it in GNOME (but since GNOME 3 is more about visual appealing, this doesn't bother technical people beacuse, how it was said, "[they] switched to Cinnamon, Xfce, Mate...") and now almost each distribution adopted it except for Slackware, Gentoo, Funtoo and BSD and other Unix (Solaris, OpenIndiana). Under the pressure of systemd criticism, Lennart said that
open source community is full of a******s
Thus it ruins some of Unix philosophy. Some will say "GNU is Not Unix!", yes, it its clone.
Kernel
"Linux for losers?"
http://www.forbes.com/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616theo.html
Theo De Raadt thoughts on Linux and I agree with him and also his personality is more appealing for me.
Linux kernel is heavier and bulkier unlike BSD and OpenBSD in particular, and GNU sometimes don't cover your needs in one utility. For example, if you need to connect to a network there is the only command in BSD while in GNU there are many for different kinds of connection.
Actually, I respect everyone contributed, contribute and is thinking to contribute to the Community. If you are such person, you probably make a difference. And of course I respect the work that GNU/Linux project did.
Now I want to know your opinions on this. Don't hesitate and write what you think.
Cheers, mates