GuestSneezeOS Offcial
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On Reddit I Was asking How Do I install Arch Linux They All Became Like Insane in the first few minutes of that post and j can say NONE OF THEM WHERE GOOD PEOPLE
Why Is The Arch Linux Community So toxic?
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.....and your point is?
For the most part, Arch is seen as a distro for reasonably proficient, expert "power-users", who have some experience under their belt. It's not one to be recommended for 'beginners'.....and the community, by & large, doesn't have the inclination to "nanny" beginners through basic stuff with "baby steps".
You're assumed to already know all this.
Mike.
For the most part, Arch is seen as a distro for reasonably proficient, expert "power-users", who have some experience under their belt. It's not one to be recommended for 'beginners'.....and the community, by & large, doesn't have the inclination to "nanny" beginners through basic stuff with "baby steps".
You're assumed to already know all this.
Mike.
Because these mor(m)ons there, as well as those on the Arch linux forum, think they're gods just because they can type words in the terminal.
Arch is usually installed via CLI but there are other ways too. When I feel lazy, I install Arco Linux, then spend 5-10 minutes to undo the Arco changes and turn it into a pure Arch. The end result is the same, the only difference is that Arco has a GUI installer - Calamares.
Terminal Velocity
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You probably without realizing it you were asking for lots of instructions for a procedure that they have documented the best they could in many places. The fact that they don't bother to just point a newcomer to the right direction and leave the rest aside it speaks for the community. Personally I don't want to have anything to do with Arch mostly because of their community's manners that many times I have heard mentioned by newcomers
I guess that is because they feel the need to defend their Distro against ALL OTHER Distro's
They can't say Linux is great, because then you'll probably end up with ANY Linux Distro.
So, they need to defend Arch at any cost ... and maybe that says a lot about Arch itself ?
They can't say Linux is great, because then you'll probably end up with ANY Linux Distro.
So, they need to defend Arch at any cost ... and maybe that says a lot about Arch itself ?
You're kind of proving the point, anyone can download Arch Linux, it's not complicated if you find the right material. But, for some reason people will download Arch, then just because they follow some guide acts like they are superior. You're proving this point by saying "You should already know this" when a majority of Arch Linux users don't even know anything about Linux. They purely get Arch as a bragging right, then treat others like they're retarded for having any questions. This extends to other forums, on ProtonVPN reddit there was some guy asking about getting Proton to work on Kali, only to be harassed by an Arch linux user who said "dont use such an edgelord os", ignoring what Kali is meant for, usually dualbooted......and your point is?
For the most part, Arch is seen as a distro for reasonably proficient, expert "power-users", who have some experience under their belt. It's not one to be recommended for 'beginners'.....and the community, by & large, doesn't have the inclination to "nanny" beginners through basic stuff with "baby steps".
You're assumed to already know all this.
Mike.
What I'm saying here is you are also part of the stereotype. Someone who've used Mint for the longest time wanting to move to Arch won't know how Arch works, everyone who uses Arch was a beginner at some point
Not all of them are "arrogant people". I've found good ones on their forum too, but yeah, if you go asking for "basic stuff" everyone is "supposed to know", then you're told to go do some reading and learn what you're looking for. Back when I used arch, I first tried on a VM, so once I knew all the steps (now there's an arch-install script which performs them all for you) I could perform them confidently on bare metal, and even then, after explaining that, I was threatened with being banned for doing "help vampirism". So I just kept my distance, read the wiki, and learned basically all by myself. Some members did provide some guidance and were helpful, but for the most part, I was told to learn and go back when I knew what I was doing, which makes no f***** sense, If I know what I'm doing, why would I ask some pricks for help? To be fair tho, I've also found this behavior on other forums, but it's a minority whereas there seems to be a pre-requisite to be part "of the cult".
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Kind of reminds me of new Kali users as well they been watching way too much Mr Robot
My philosophy is this - we were all noobs at one point in our lives and appreciated kind people who helped us along the way - so now all us more experienced people should pass our knowledge along to the new noobs with kindness & generosity - as the saying goes "honey draws more flies" - why act all cocky and arrogant about this and treat people like crap is beyond me
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Search no further, i once had an account there and decided never to go back. As for Arch installation, well i vaguely recall reading about Manjaro and i did find this particular spin ain't too bad in terms of easy installation.
You have two options.
wiki.archlinux.org
wiki.archlinux.org
Or just use EndeavourOS, but I agree with what @MikeWalsh said about this, Arch(including Arch-based distributions) is not a good place to start if it is your first distribution for most people because the whole philosophy of Arch is DIY and not to have your hand held to figure out basic things you should already know about Linux or are willing to put in the time to figure the basic things out yourself.
Installation guide - ArchWiki
archinstall - ArchWiki
Preferring to use the cli for most things is not cli "snob-ism", but a personal preference and a choice. Just like anyone can have preferences and choices for something else when it comes to Linux and other opensource software.
I'm not advocating that it's for everyone, I'm advocating that everyone can have a preference and choice to use or to not use something when it comes to opensource software and Linux distributions.
Terminal Velocity
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When something can be done with GUI I do it that way because with a good GUI you can figure out things yourself, without asking. For CLI I usually need help but it is very effective and usually get things done. Both are needed
Brickwizard
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When asked for suggestions on what distribution from newbies, I usually avoid Arch and steer well clear of Slako distributions, and present point and click [mainly Debian] distributions as 90% of those coming will be used to Windows/apple point and click.
Yes, I have noticed that some Arch and Slako sites still seem to have the elitist views we use to see 20 years ago on Linux sites,
and yes we have the likes of Kali [and other pen testing distributions] that clearly state in their doc's, " Not suitable for beginners" [or other wording of the same meaning] which virtually nobody bothers to read then can't install what they want or do what they want,,
Yes, I have noticed that some Arch and Slako sites still seem to have the elitist views we use to see 20 years ago on Linux sites,
and yes we have the likes of Kali [and other pen testing distributions] that clearly state in their doc's, " Not suitable for beginners" [or other wording of the same meaning] which virtually nobody bothers to read then can't install what they want or do what they want,,
Arch linux is mostly about customizability, and there are already several instruction sets available for getting it installed...the trick is to have two computers: one to format with arch, another with an internet connection for troubleshooting. That's the secret to getting it to work (for a short period of time).
As far as the users are concerned, they are probably mad you are asking a basic/general question that can be answered through googling and work. It's stupid and nonsensical, ik, but you can't always expect people on the internet to help you with stuff this complex, at least 60% of the time...ignore those "i use arch, btw" people. Like rado pointed out, it's just entering commands, and arch is nice in the sense that it's less automated of an install.
I stick with the debian systems because even though i like more control than apple and microsoft give you, they hand
you all the drivers and apps you need for internet usage, audio, and display on a silver platter. There's no such thing as computer usage without troubleshooting, though...
As far as the users are concerned, they are probably mad you are asking a basic/general question that can be answered through googling and work. It's stupid and nonsensical, ik, but you can't always expect people on the internet to help you with stuff this complex, at least 60% of the time...ignore those "i use arch, btw" people. Like rado pointed out, it's just entering commands, and arch is nice in the sense that it's less automated of an install.
I stick with the debian systems because even though i like more control than apple and microsoft give you, they hand
you all the drivers and apps you need for internet usage, audio, and display on a silver platter. There's no such thing as computer usage without troubleshooting, though...
A distribution aimed at advanced users doesn't make the entire community elitist and have elitist views, maybe a small percentage of the users. But when a Linux newcomer decides to go for a distribution aimed at advanced users it can be expected that they are expected to have done their homework if they are going to asking for help with something they are stuck on or wanting a question answered.
Yes it's just typing out commands but if you have no idea what those commands do, like if you don't know what partitioning is or what filesystems are how to mount your newly created root partition with a filesystem, etc. Also having gone through the manual installation process a few times helps you understand how your system is setup, for when your system breaks with an update you will have an idea of what steps to take to recover your your system.
Now days I just use the archinstall script since it gives me a nice minimal setup which I can continue to build on from there, without having to manually go through all the steps which saves me some time.
That's a really good idea, and thats how i deal with a lot of command line inconveiniences. If i think it could be useful for others, i put it on github.
However, does arch have any superior use cases, other than enhanced noodling/playing?
Aristarchus
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Man, you are using a lot of words to say exactly the same thing as Mike Walsh
Personally, I never seen "difficult" Linux distro. Some require more time e.g. LSF of Gentoo installation from stage II (now Gentoo is binary). Also Obarun few years ago when I had to contact maintainer as installation scripts did not work. But Arch was and is easy. Particularly nowadays when one can find all the information online. One does not need Arch forums to get stuff installed
OP should not get discouraged, just try Arch. You will always learn something.
